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RE: What's the best way to remember falsetas?
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gj Michelob
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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sing the rhythm...THE RHYTHM.... phrasing is how you memorize lots of material in meaningful long lasting easy to get back in the moment way, not slow motion repetition. Bravo Ricardo, that is really an intelligent and most productive advice. One should also add that the more one exercises mnemonics the more quickly one memorizes and more easily retains material. Hence the importance of such exercise. People may have different ways to approach this process, some from general to detail, and some vice versa. What Ricardo suggests applies even to [at least for me] memorizing lectures -say a one hour long speech. I visualize the concept and cuddle it with flow and intonation, until all details fall in place naturally. Time consuming as it may seem, when i practice, if I make a mistake in a song or speech, will not stop and repeat the phrase, but the entire material I need to memorize. Yet, I know some speakers who [as Stephen suggests] learn by re-re-repeating the same line slowly, until it sinks in. The danger of the second approach, however, is that if you forget a word, during performance, you may be lost, as if making the wrong turn; it is best to visualize a full picture of the map, not just a detailed, partial view. Also, if one's memory is really weak, a way to jumpstart it is to write down the music, as you would shorthand notes of a lecture. That type of effort would engrave the material even more deeply. But -again- unlike computeres, our memory increases exponentially in quality and quantity the more you store in it.
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Date May 15 2013 14:27:53
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Arash
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo quote:
Sing it. Sing the rhythm of the falseta or phrase or strumming pattern or entire piece if you want. Beable sing the rhythm...THE RHYTHM.... phrasing is how you memorize lots of material in meaningful long lasting easy to get back in the moment way, not slow motion repetition. Word by word does not even have meaning if you do it too slow talking about reciting or memorizing passages from books. You need the phrases to get the meaning and even the rhythm and flow and feeling of the thing. Epic poetry type stories were much easier to recite and memorize because they were songs and had a flow and rhythm. About singing pitches, well complex falsetas jumping around are tough, but you can attempt to get some of the pitches accurate, the main point is the phrase or the melodic contour. Like imitate some speedy picado run of paco with the voice. You do some fast sound with the tongue (didle didle didle didle or trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr etc) and the pitch just goes from medium, up high and down to lowest notes.... just the contour of the phrase is needed plus the accurate rhythm. If you get better over time you can eventually hit exact notes. But the important thing for memory is RHYTHM. Your fingers will find the notes because phrasing forces them to "remember". I will go further and say that about myself singing like a song it's not fair what I suggest to players, you have the concept backwards. I can sing more in tune and do harmonies easier than some other singers (who search off track for a harmony part) because I visualize the notes on the guitar as I sing even a pop tune. Being able to play and phrase on guitar helps me hit pitches more accurate with my voice...but rhythms are a different thing than pitches. Try to sing some old cante like fandango de gloria or malagueña de mellizo and you find out that to get the right notes and rhythms it's even harder than most modern guitar falsetas to sing. Ok thanks man. When i reread your first comment, seams like i didn't pay enough attention to some additional words which you used which didn't necessarily meant that i have to sing each falseta note for note correctly, but more the rythm and phrasing and the overall shape of the thing. With the additional explanation it makes more sence to me now, i have to try it and see if it works for me. My fear was/is that all this additional approaches will make it more complicated for me, but seams like this is a baseless fear (assuming that all brains function the same way ;). I will try it. quote:
ORIGINAL: estebanana The way you remember falsetas is to make more dings in your guitars top and not care. Seriously beat it up and mark the top from playing it. Even more seriously, the slower you play in deep practice, the more you retain. Everything else is just BS. SLOW careful practice for 20 minutes will help you keep more music than three hours at playing speed. It's like reading a book, go over a passage slow many times and you can recite it aloud. Same in music. The technique to memorize is to play a phrase and then play it again without looking at the music. The slower you play the phrase while not reading the music the better. That is the method soloists use to memorize lengthy concertos. I learned this a long time ago from my cello teachers. It works. Thats more or less what i have always tried. Then again sometimes i learn things faster and better when i practice them right away with the original speed (shorter parts, more repetition, but normal speed). For instance sometimes when you slow down certain parts, they totally lose the groove, feeling, rythm etc. and you are somehow lost and left with notes only and it all becomes "robotic" and for me sometimes this makes it more complicated and takes longer. quote:
ORIGINAL: britguy I think its probably age-related, but I have no problem remembering all the twelve-digit numbers on several of my credit cards? Thats because your life and existence depends on remembering and using those digits, but not on falsetas @guitarbuddha, i am checking out the video you posted, thanks, will reply as soon as i checked it out in detail.
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Date May 15 2013 14:54:09
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to gj Michelob)
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GJ, a note on "Stephen's Method". It's axiomatic in the memory field that you must NOTICE something before you can remember it. This applies to lecture listening, learning names, where you put the keys, and music. Playing something very slowly is a way of forcing yourself to notice the many small details that make up even the simplest musical phrase. It is those details, and the myriad connections between those details, that create the strongest and most secure form of musical memory. Contrast the fluent sheet music reader who can play for hours and memorize nothing with the same person who plays at a snail's pace, but this time taking note of each interval, each scale degree, each dynamic marking, which finger he is using at all times, and even the particular sensation that each note gives to him. The slower player should also take the time to imagine the LH pattern and which finger is doing what before he plays. The first player may well have successfully executed the phrase, but it has left as little impression on his mind as superficial small talk, as any other chore done on automatic. The second player has stored a wealth of information, any of which can be used to help him get on track and recall the phrase. Ricardo's advice about playing in groove and at medium tempo attacks thing from a completely different, higher-order angle. It's just as important, of course! I think the slow way is somewhat like writing the music in your brain so you can "look at it" at wil. By doing both, one will be giving oneself the best chance.
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