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 RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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Hm, Rain, youre mixing up too much and interpreted things into my post that was not my intention...
obviously you have made negative experiences with peoples opinions about JWs playing.
First off, usually i like JWs playing. No really!
My former guitar teacher also complained that JW SOMETIMES, not all, plays "unemotional". There are pieces on which i would agree to this these and some on which i would highly disagree! So im not one of these people who categorical blame JW as unemotional.
And i did not wrote that i dislike the JW version, hope you red that. JW is a god, no doubt!
But the most important: We are talking about only 1min playing or so. Further i have a bad version regarding the sound quality; acctually its a video as i mentioned.
It may be that you have a brilliant version, i dont know.
I would propose that you take the discussion on JWs playing not too serious. How are you going to proove that its original or emotional whatever?
Sry, but claiming this opinion "****", doesn help either...
And besides, this has nothing to do with Todds opinion on his own playing. The evalutation of ones playing is always made by the audience and by each single one.
In addition to that the player is not a very good instance for evaluating his own playing.
Theres an idiom in german that goes like "Ones own cooking always tastes good"
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Date Nov. 3 2005 22:54:42
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ToddK
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RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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Rain,
You, and everybody here, is of course entitled to their opinion.
The "you must be deaf" crack, well, that's pretty offensive, you
must admit. Put yourself in my shoes. I practice my butt off,
and i can play that piece just as well as JW, or anybody.
The issue is interpretation. And the opinion thereof.
As for my tone, ive had hundreds of responders to this video
that claim my tone is beautiful. Doesnt mean you're wrong.
Just means that "Beauty is in the ear of the beholder".
I also feel JW"s playing lacks feeling. This is based on my expierience
of listening to him play. Not on what ive heard other people say.
But so what?? What does that change?? It changes nothing.
It hurts nobody. You can go on enjoying JW"s albums just as you always
have.
And i will go on listening to my Bream records. We all live happily ever after..
People accusing JW of a lack of heart, has been going on for a very long time.
This gets blown up into some pretty big arguments on certain forums
i visit.
But i dont personally read much into it. It boils down to personal preference.
You cant sit somebody down, and "force" them to hear things Your way.
One person hears him, and they dont get it. Like me or Phrygus.
Another person hears the same, and they totally get it.
What is beautiful to one person,
may not be to another. This is music. Its art.
There is no Good or Bad. Correct or Incorrect.
You say i do NOT bring the piece to life. Phrygus says i do.
Niether of you are right or wrong.
I happen to think JW couldnt touch my Scottish Choro with a ten foot pole. 
Again, just my opinion. :)
TK
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Date Nov. 3 2005 23:07:26
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sorin popovici
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From: Iasi, Romania
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RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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This is getting good ... a little controversy is what I like .I feel like I know who is someone
upon reacting of more critical situation.Todd is behaving properly ,so I'm glad to think
that he is who I thought he would be.
Personally , I didnt listened a lot of JW,cause I dont buy that many records.But I remember
one night after a long practice on leyenda ....listening to his.He is that of a monster that
I cant believe it ,I really realized that after playing for 5 years or so at that time.Now
he worked very much, I have no problem in giving him the credit .I know I worked on that
piece very very hard ,and still nothing as the technical perfection that he deliveres.Now
...I dont want to discuss about "soul playing" ,to me that's smth that adds things and make
them beautiful ...but it's surely an ornament.He deliveres....u cant deny that.If u want to
judge his soul than maybe u should be in the business or rescueing souls.I've read some interviews and I can guess,that the man had to do some sacrifice for standing now where he is.I understand him a little for that ,and I can not deny him my apreciation ...or even
my love for standing straight and continuing to do what he felt was right(segovia probably
is a case to admire also for determination and love for guitar too).
Back to the subject I think Todd loves to play the guitar and he is now where he is because
of his work but also for his love for the instrument.I am a little jealous on his playing,but
I think he is that good also because of his superior(i have to say again that word ...this is getting cheesy) love for guitar. I know that if I will love her more (the guitar), I could get
comparable to his playing on the guitar,but until then since I love it less than him
my catastrophy (to be a much weaker player) seems not that harsh ...cause he is that of
a good player and he is not recognized like he should be (I have a romanian player
in my country ,that gets all the interviews ...and he is not very great).
In conclusion what I mean is that : to play that good u must give yourself away very much
,and I think (now) that good technique is not just show off but it's also a sign for a man's
love for the guitar,because he took the time to practice properly ...because he did not
take a break when everybody of us would have done it ...because of his sweat that could
probably fill a lot of emptiness ,when we chose get used to our emptiness...because of
many many things I discoveres while trying to be a better guitarist (unfortunately I still
do things amateurishly).
So ....how come a man with great techinque can have no feeling ,cause his very own
technique is a sign for his feeling?
That clears JW ,I hope :D.
As for Todd , I cant imagine the hell he must have been through to play guitar in an unorthodox way (for classical playing I mean (I dont want to upset Todd,I can guess that
he doesnt want this to be taken up front every time "wow he plays with a pick")),but that
hell is a measure of his (again ...I think I'm turning gay ) love.So I cant judge him for
he is just more than I am now .To me JW ,Todd and other players get their own category
" people to aspire to" and that's all.I sincerely hope that Todd will be famous some day so
I could get to say that I knew that man (and also maybe to get some free tickets :D).
I hope that clears Todd.I said too much and I apologize,to concentrate all I have said
and to show my apreciation I would have to tell you what I first said when I first
listened to Todd(a couple of years ago,I happen to listen a couple of his falsetas with a friend) .. I've said to my friend then "this is the real thing, man !".
So keep them coming Todd,cause my friend now is studying music at a local conservatory
(he is into jazz ) ,he plays guitar ...and when I meet him ,he is always curious about
some new videos :D....he cant really believe what he sees (he also plays with a pick,but
also tried to play fingerstyle ,and now thanks to you he is trying to do both.. like you).
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Date Nov. 4 2005 0:27:37
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Rain
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RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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First, I would like to offer my sincere apology to Todd and Phrygus.
My main objection was the statement made by Phrygus, where he said Todds Scarlatti sounded better than JW's and had more feeling. I still strongly disagree to that. I would like to add that I'm not the biggest John Williams fan on this planet, like Todd I would rather listen to Julian Bream anyday, in fact I'm listening to him now.
Todd, I know you practice very hard, I could hear it in your Flamenco playing. And mechanically in your Classical playing. Your hybrid picking, although very impressive, I just dont get. Unless its for picado runs, which with a pick it would be easier to play fast.
You have very good technic.
What is beautiful to one person,
may not be to another. This is music. Its art.
There is no Good or Bad. Correct or Incorrect.
Todd, you made the above statement,and I agree with it to a certain degree.
There is a correct way and an incorrect way to playing the guitar, try playing a bulerias as a choro. Good and Bad, if you dont know what bad is then how did you get to play so good Todd.
Look, when I play a few compases of soleares, my non guitar playing friends think I'm brilliant. Because they don't know any better. Now, when it comes to playing flamenco, which I've been trying to learn for less than a year, I could honestly say that I suck, and you would agree, but my neighbor may not. But I would definately agree with you.
See where I'm going with this. Well here it comes. All those people who gave you positve comments, showered you with flowers mate-------What do they know about CLASSICAL GUITAR, and what good tone is. Nonetheless consistant TONE. There is no way to play classical music with all its contapuntal lines, and have each line come out to a high standard with a pick and fingers, and you will never prove me wrong.
I happen to think JW couldnt touch my Scottish Choro with a ten foot pole.
Again, just my opinion. :)
I never heard JW play Villa-Lobos's Scottish Choro, what record is it on. If you cant play it better than JW or Bream(I love the way he plays Villa-Lobos) better yet, if you don't think it can be played better, your words by the way, than why play it. If you have nothing to say with the music, then dont play it-----unless that is you are egotistical, and want people to go wow. Or you just love to play the music but you don't see it as art.
Do not get me wrong man, I understand what your saying with the ten foot pole bit, at least I hope that I do.
You seem to be a very cool person, and definately a talented one. But don't shoot me down because I'm giving you my honest opinion abot the classical pieces. I would respect your opinion on flamenco anyday.
Hey by the way what do you think about Manuel Bellido's flamenco guitars
Peace and Love
RAIN
Hey Sorin GREAT POST
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Date Nov. 4 2005 2:06:59
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carlos soto
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RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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I don't think any comparision between guitar players makes sence from the point of view of taking them as values of which is better than the other... it's pointless and stupid because everyone has a different perception and tastes.
Also I don't think it's apropiate to say that a tone it's better than other, there's no logic in that, what might be good to someone can be crap to others...the really good tone if you are a musician is the one that's inside your head and how you really want your instrument to sound like.
In the end I think one should say and stay limited to his very own ears and give only an opinion of his perception to others, and regarding guitar players having good taste.
I respect very highly JW, JB, Segovia, E Fernandez and many other well know guitarist for all they have given to the guitar world, besides being talented I'm sure they have done their very best, but I hate saying that to my own ears almost all of them sound pretty outdated and I know several players that sound better to me, it's very obvious from the evolution point of view, I can hear that in flamenco with ramon montoya-Sabicas-PDL...etc
I think respect is given to the first person to do something, like a revolution, but that doesn't mean they will be the best forever, in my very own personal opinion.
All the Best
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Date Nov. 4 2005 3:50:54
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XXX
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RE: ToddK on Classical! (in reply to Ron.M)
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Rain, i dont want to talk this for years, but i have to mention at least the most emergent things.
The main thing which "you dont get" as Todd said is that you really seem to think music and its quality would be "measureable" or somthing.
Of course there is a way to play something correct or incorrect, but even this is so superficual that it does not says anything about quality.
Yet the point WE was discussing was which piece has more feeling. This is sooo subjective man! How can you dare to have the one and only valid opinion?
In you post you apologize and two lines further you say something like, people who dont know much on classical guitar do not have the right to evaluate it.
Dude, im sorry to say that but your view is so arrogant and ridiculous.
If musicans would share your opinion they would never give a concert to a regular audience, which does NOT know this music theory stuff usually.
Dont get me wrong, music theory is good for learning a piece/an instrument, but when it comes to evaluation of music, you should trust your EAR and your brain!
Ps: notice that the tone of JWs video and Todds are very different. Todds tone has less bass and "clearer" trebles, whereas JW plays with a much more "classical tone", which i would describe as a wide (regarding the freq.) and not so clear tone that makes it "warm" in my eyes/ears.
This is also a point which can not be discussed because its a matter of preference, which tone is more pleasant. It also differs from piece to piece actually.
In this case i like the playing/accentuation as well as the tone in Todds video much more than in JWs.
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