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From: Iran (living in Germany)
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
that tremolo sounds amazing. thanks for sharing the vid. seams like antonio has a lot of ideas. wasn't a long time ago when his last album came out (killer album imo).
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
Looks to have quite a bit of atmosphere with the synth and violin in the beginning. I hope it keeps that mood through the whole disc. Looking forward to it.
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
I wonder where the "Antonio Rey Plays a Conde" thread is, lol. I guess those infomercials helped fund something we actually wanted to hear Hope this one becomes available for purchase, unlike Tomatito's which I had to give up on.
Posts: 4530
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to Ricardo)
Antonio is a beast. Both technically and his compositions.
I would even go so far as to say that i think his compositions and ideas (both his last CD and what i heard recently) are one step ahead of anything new i heard recently (tomatito, vicente, dani, pedro sierra, etc. ). Of course this statement is a little "unfair" and probably only taste again, but i think this guy is as creative as it can be in todays flamenco guitar world.
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to Arash)
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but i think this guy is as creative as it can be in todays flamenco guitar world.
I think there's no such thing as "creative as it can be", there are only standards that keep changing with time. If you deviate a lot from the present standard, people might not be able to understand your music (maybe they will in another century) but if you move around the pieces of the puzzle just the right amount without alienating everyone, you'll be an innovator even if you dont get commercial success rightaway (or never).
This is just to say that flamenco is getting dull by the 'number of albuns out/number of outstanding albuns' ratio.
How many times will I have to hear the same palmas/cajon loop.
Musicians nowadays seem to be working for entertainment purposes, not artistic.. not at all.
edit: by outstanding I mean albuns that stand out.
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
@Arash Antonios progress is even more exiting when you compare his latest album with his first, which was really hard to understand and to hear, one can say annoying, zero amount of understandable melodies paired with technical virtousity.. But his latest album was such a compositional masterpiece, in some points a bit cheezy, but very easy to follow without loosing musical deepness. I think that this the highest thing you can reach as a composer. In my opinion, Vicente is the greatest maestro when you talk about this, and Antonio was inspired a lot by him.
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
@Rui: when i tried to compose something for a while, i started to understand how hard and frustrating it can be sometimes to even compose a single falseta with which you are finally happy. Either i realised that the falseta is totally similar to something i already heard from someone else, or the falseta simply sounded like crap at the end. I basically gave it up and thought its better to invest my time in learning other peoples falsetas instead of this.
So, i wouldn't be so hard with my judging and say that its all "entertainment" nowadays. I mentioned this several times and probably many will disagree, but many many compositional possibilities are already covered in the past by the maestros and it is REALLY hard to come up with what you described as "you move around the pieces of the puzzle just the right amount without alienating everyone, you'll be an innovator". I think this is specially the case with flamenco because its so easy to leave the path and alienate both the the audience and the music itself, because you can't play around with some rythmical rules, etc. too much. Now maybe someone will come up with even a new palo? maybe that could be something interesting, but i can't think of anything myself :)
@Jof, now try something. Revisit the first CD of Antonio and hear it again. At least in my case, the first time i heard Antonios first CD, i was also like "there is too much going on here in some pieces", but funnily after a while it sounded more and more "familiar" and nicer than before. Check out the Rondena man, a masterpiece.
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to James)
Wait, did you guys not enjoy his first album? Maybe I'm just used to convoluted melodies from Brazilian music but I can literally sing along to most every piece on that album, note for note. Very memorable melodies IMO. I especially love the siguiriyas and the tanguillos.
I didn't like his second album as much because it sounded to me like he was going for a more mass-market sound. That said, it's still miles ahead of what most other guitarists are releasing today if you ask me. He is a brilliant guitarist.
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to Arash)
@Arash
Well.. think about how it must have been when a dude brought up his guitar and started to accompany cante... or when the farty bass came along.... the congas....cajon....etc etc
If you train your mind for it you can think of compositional variables that dont even touch falsetas, meaning that you could even play only traditional falsetas and do something new.
The only rule is that you cant show anything to anyone before you have it all sorted out, the recipe for the NWOF. As with everything, people will tell you it cant be done, say "its ****" before you press play and so on...
RE: Antonio Rey New Disc 'Camino Al ... (in reply to Bulerias2005)
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Wait, did you guys not enjoy his first album? Maybe I'm just used to convoluted melodies from Brazilian music but I can literally sing along to most every piece on that album, note for note. Very memorable melodies IMO. I especially love the siguiriyas and the tanguillos.
I didn't like his second album as much because it sounded to me like he was going for a more mass-market sound.
In general, I agree. I thought his first album was really strong -- and that despite Antonio's own seemingly dismissive attitude towards it. I also think the second album is great, but I wasn't as blown away by it as I expected. And that's largely because I thought the first album was so good.
Antonio's definitely the best of the next generation. It's disturbing that his second album is not readily available in the US (e.g. via iTunes, Amazon, etc.).
Regardless, it sounds like the next one will be great, as well. Hopefully, he'll do an Encuentro DVD at some point. Or he'll coordinate with Faucher to do some transcriptions. His music's too good to not be transcribed.
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