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britguy

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Using ring finger for cierre? 
Maybe another dumb question, but;

although I was never taught this years ago, I recently began using upward strokes dragging the ring finger across the top three strings ( 1 - 2 - 3) for those triplet cierres in Soleares and Seguiriyas, as opposed to using an a-m-i arpeggio for the same effect.

I was just wondering how common is this technique, and if it is considered 'good' or 'bad' technique? Or doesn't it matter anyway, as long as the effect is O.K.?

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edgar884

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
Ami will be better. Practice p (rest) on E string then ima back to mi on 123 strings.
pimami. always resting you thumb.

If your doing it to drag it like a pick it's fine, except your A finger is for the high e sting anyway so us it, but if your looking for power the M finger could work in certain circumstances.

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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
Paco Peña onces experimented with playing an alternative picado were fingers stayed on string/gliding from string to the string were possible. Although his speed increased quite a lot he rejected it after a while because he didn't like the sound. I have no idea how common your solution is (never use it myself ) but if you feel fine using it and like the effect i wouldn't care to much if it is "acceptable or not". Manitas de Plata used similar moves with impressive results.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
I dont understand what you mean.. can you tape it?

It is common to pull 2 strings with a (meaning 2 strings with a and then 1 string with m then 1 string with i.) within an a m i arpegio, if you mean that.

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britguy

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
quote:

I dont understand what you mean.. can you tape it?


It is common to pull 2 strings with a (meaning 2 strings with a and then 1 string with m then 1 string with i.) within an a m i arpegio, if you mean that.


1. Don't know how to make an audio clip and post, but I'll try and figure it out?


2. No, Doit. What I meant is playing those fancy little triplet arpeggios in a cierre, using only the ring finger stroking upwards across three strings, from 1st the 3rd. string. With practice it sounds pretty smooth. Smoother than using the three-finger reverse arpeggio ( i,m,a) to get the same notes.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
Ah got it. Yes, thats old style.. Sabicas used that a lot. but its somehow outdated. If you feel good doing it like that, there is nothing wrong with that.

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britguy

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
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the three-finger reverse arpeggio ( i,m,a) to get the same notes.


Sorry Doit, got it backwards.

That quote should read: " three finger reverse arpeggio ( a,m,i ) ".

NOT (i,m,a). But of course you knew that already. .

Thanks.

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HolyEvil

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
I'm not sure whether its an outdated technique. I've seen a recent video of Ricardo when he used this technique, and it was the firet time i saw it done that way. I've started using it to replace some of my pimami occasionally, due to my index finger problem.
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Doitsujin

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
quote:

I'm not sure whether its an outdated technique.


When I don´t use it,..its outdated. That simple.

I think I still don't get what technique we are talking about.. could somebody video-tape it?

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HolyEvil

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

When I don´t use it,..its outdated. That simple.



I'll try to find the video tonight when I get home
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2013 23:12:05
 
britguy

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
quote:

could somebody video-tape it?


Jesus.

Do I have to try to record and post a video of myself playing, on the Foro. AAARGH!!!

Just imagine the cracks from those young hotshots. . .

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2013 0:11:12
 
kudo

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

Do I have to try to record and post a video of myself playing, on the Foro. AAARGH!!!

dont be silly- just go for it, you want the help, show us your problem to help you better

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HolyEvil

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 


it happens about 3 seconds in.. and other places in the video.
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britguy

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
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it happens about 3 seconds in.. and other places in the video.


Yes. That's it. Stroking up with the ring finger across the top strings. There's a good example at 0.40 secs in the video.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2013 13:40:55
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: britguy

Yes. That's it. Stroking up with the ring finger across the top strings. There's a good example at 0.40 secs in the video.


Than mathematically it must be included at 0:04 as well :-)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2013 14:07:05
 
britguy

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to Erik van Goch) 
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Than mathematically it must be included at 0:04 as well :-)


???

Sorry Erik; you've lost me here.

Mathematics was never my best subject anyway. . .

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2013 14:15:56
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Using ring finger for cierre? (in reply to britguy) 
What i (and HolyEvil) mend to say was that the same technique also occurs in the 4th second from above recording :-)
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