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Miguel de Maria
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 RE: Guitarrist's sound (in reply to mentrida)
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Mentrida,
your question is impossible to answer without talking about Montoya, since you are asking about Montoya. The playing probably seemed harsh and 2 dimensional because that's how he sounded. Your question was is it possible to have ability and not express it. I think that question implies an incorrect assumption--that emotional content or aire are separate from other parts of technique. Expression and aire IS the point of guitar, not making endless ligados or beating on the guitar and making a lot of noise. If you, yourself, make a point of practicing only picados and ligados and loud sounds on the instrument, you probably never will learn to how to play well. But if you start with musical sensitivity and taste, and it would help to listen to better musicians such as Sabicas or Paco de Lucia, not Carlos Montoya, and aspire to that as opposed to technical display, then you will...
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Date Oct. 15 2005 4:50:30
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gerundino63
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From: The Netherlands
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RE: Guitarrist's sound (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Hi Doitsujin,
You mix up the names here, Ramon is the player who added the things you said, Carlos is his nepfew who is the lesser player.
-DUENDE-
Why Carlos is mentioned so often, is because he went to the States, and presented himself as the big flamenco guitarist from Spain.
Carlos played in all the big halls, and have many records, and was quite famouse over there ( USA) .
So, the old saying goes here too, " in the land of the blind, one eye is king..." 
Peter
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Date Oct. 15 2005 10:12:42
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Thomas Whiteley
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From: San Francisco Bay Area
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RE: Guitarrist's sound (in reply to mentrida)
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quote:
So here are my questions;
1) Has anyone heard the cd, and have felt the same?
2) could it be a case of the recording and not really the player?
3) Was his style more geared towards dancers/players and lost as a solo?
4) Is it possible to have such ability and yet not be able to express it?
I have the CD you mention plus many others as well as LP’s of Carlos Montoya.
Carlos was one of the best accompanists for singers and dancers. Just one person he accompanied was Carmen Amaya, and I have tapes I made of those events. I also have tapes of Carlos playing for many other singers and dancers and he was electrifying and at the same time never got in the way of the principal performer.
The story goes that Carlos lived in his famous uncle Ramon’s house, and Ramon refused to give Carlos any lessons or advice about flamenco. Carlos learned on his own and made a name for himself in Spain. He married an American who convinced Carlos to begin a career as a Concert Flamenco Guitarist, and he was the first to do so. So we owe something to Carlos regardless of how his solo playing may be compared to others.
We called Carlos, “the carpenter” (el carpintero), because of his style, and we refereed to Sabicas as, “the angel”, two very different styles. I knew Carlos and Sabicas and talked to them many times and received a great deal of advice and encouragement from both.
Carlos was a very humble person whom I consider a good friend and very talented.
As for how any performer approaches playing music is up to them. Some people can convey great emotion through their playing and others cannot. Flamenco happens to be a very emotional music form and you can either respect that or not.
I find that the vast majority of new flamenco guitarists think that flamenco is only about guitar and have no concept of compas, accent or feeling. Solo flamenco guitar is a music form that is enjoyed by many who know little or nothing about flamenco. It is as if some people have taken the preference from music which they grew up with from rock and roll and applied it to “flamenco”.
Over amplified music that includes fast picados and has no feeling is not my cup of tea. The term “licks” annoys me when applied to flamenco but it is commonly used by some all too often. Yet, others love flamenco in this form, so what can I say?
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Date Oct. 15 2005 18:16:41
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RE: Guitarrist's sound (in reply to duende)
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You have Guiness in Sweden??? Joder! They have it in Spain but I would'nt drink it here.
Sean
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Date Oct. 15 2005 21:21:54
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