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RE: nino de pura (in reply to ivan)
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I agree with you Mr.Boyes. The first one sounds like very nuevo flamenco e.j. Ottmar Liebert style whereas the second has that flamenco "cutting" sound that sounds so exotic. I guess it all boils down to taste, I think the second one is way more representative of what the earthy gitano style flamenco picado sounds like vs the Flamenco sounding melodic stuff.
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Date Oct. 13 2005 16:56:12
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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Ivan, That is so cool you met Cañizares, I think his playing is very avant garde for lack of a better term. I have only heard a handful of his music,some of it Flamenco some of it not and the Flamenco stuff was just out there but I liked it and appreciated it's originality. One example, La Pajarraca (Bulerías), to me that Bulerias is very original, and just outside the usual molde but at the same time it's a full pledged Buleria, I don't know if it's the compas or what. Could you see how much of the finger tips he would use to play the picado? The tips of the fingers is such a small place I know but did you notice anything about it? 'tal Luego German
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Date Oct. 13 2005 17:40:48
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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Ivan, Thanks for the response. I know this is going to sound absurd but by chance did your picado improve at all after watching them? I swear after I watch videos of Paco,Ramon Algeciras,Gerardo Nunez, Rafa Riqueni my picado improves a bit. I maybe inventing this in my mind but I really think I do. Am I strange to think this? Saludos
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Date Oct. 13 2005 18:04:54
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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German, I don't think you are crazy for thinking that. I agree. After, watching players like that, you always learn something new or they can see something that you are not seeing ( as objective observers), they can give you a piece of advice. If you watch videos of these players, maybe you are forcing yourself to be more observant and as result, do not repeat the same mechanical mistakes we often do. Their advice was always economize movement, alternate, and keep you nails in check. do not make file them too round, as this would give you a thinnner sound and do not keep them too long. If your nails are off by a few millimeters. they can prevent you from executing an optimal picado. Not that you won't be able to do it, but it can certainly slow you down a bit. These players keep a more square shape to their nails. I tried it and it worked for me. Because you have more nail at the angle of attack, the sound is fatter. Whtever works. (: Ivan
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Date Oct. 13 2005 18:24:07
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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I can do it at 241 bpm, for at least ONE beat longer than you guys. Seriously, those guys running scales wish they were Paco. In fact I am sure that is who inspires them. But the thing is, even though they can go as fast, the SOUND is different. I can tell the difference between Pura, Canizares, Amigo, Nunez, Chicuelo, etc all great players, but when I hear the picado, I can tell if it is Paco or not. He really has amazing control. The truth is, he is simply better. He feels EVERYNOTE just right, it is amazing. Even just a scale up and down sounds special. The only one that comes close to his sound is his nephew Jose Maria Banderas, IMO (from everyone I have heard so far). In fact his playing really shocked me. How could anyone think those sound clip examples, are even comparable to Paco? They sound like students next to Paco. (As far as picado goes). The best guitarists of the Post Paco generation are important because they have their own style, sound, rhythmic ideas etc. But no one has really evolved more technique skill and control than Paco. Ricardo
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Date Oct. 13 2005 21:19:59
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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Just strange humor.... ehh really strange unique humor. I didnt find a person in my whole life who understands it... Hey thats a good base. All geniuses are strange.. arent they? ^^
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Date Oct. 13 2005 22:09:31
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