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I've just came Back Home after a gig. A small show Made by My Teacher, a singer, and a Two bailaores. They were Good. Really i must admit that i enjoyed it so much. Only That it was made in a Very expensive restaurant! but hey, no worries, as i'm a Student of The guitarist and as long as The food and Wine are Good! Beide, i'm here for The show! So, no worries!
I asked My Teacher for a permission to record The show, or some of it. For The things in need to revise and make questions about in My Coming lessons and he simply Said NO! Why Is That i asked? And He Said ' it Is not something that artists apprecite'! Why is that?! Specially if i'm gonna be using these materials for a personal developments as i'm your student and i do Pay for the lessons! The answer was coldly NO!
Then during the show i see IPADS, IPHONES, PERSONAL VIDEO CAMERAS on and no complain at all! This made me pissed. I don't ask to record in a gig cuz i love to see the arse of the dancer or to public a video on my facebook page saying that i was there! I play flamenco and i love it as a hobby with th hope that oneday i may consider going pro but even the pro guitarists in my town no matter how good they are, they always complain the lake of work etc.
Then comes the discussion that your teacher will not allow you to attend the dancing accompaniament classes on a daily basics and then you ask im why? He will reply that schools will prefer a guitar student for free to accompany the dance if he want to lean than calling a pro and pay him!! So if i work like 11/12 hrs aday and practice like 30 min maximum and in some dayes zero at all, what are the risk of someone like me to effect a carrer of a man who in performing for like 30 years?!! My previous teacher just got fed up from the north of Italy for the unsufficent work and got back to Spain!! Now my actual teacher is really cool and good but things like these make me pissed! Did you guys had any similar experiances? And for the Seniors, what do you think about that? Thanks.
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RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
man if i were you, i would say screw him and say go to hell to him, and do what you want to do , they cant stop you from video taping. what are they gonna do? stop the gig and smash your camera to pieces? no ! go to the dance classes if you want to, how can he stop you? is he going to tell the dancers to kick you out? no! do what you think is beneficial for your learning process. I would not take him as a teacher, because he is only thinking of his own business and doesnt care about his student to learn and develop, what kind of a teacher is this? theres so many other better teachers you can have! he can pack it up!
RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
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schools will prefer a guitar student for free to accompany the dance if he want to lean than calling a pro and pay him!!
it's not good if you offer to play for free and he loses the work.... but if he's playing for them and getting paid you could "sit in" with him and play along.... most pro guitarists are cool with this.
If they don't have a guitarist and you offer to play, then he's not losing out because he didn't have the job in the first place. I can't see what the problem is....
RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
well, i dunno. sometimes cuz they are few in here, they behave this way. It is not easy to change the teacher especially when there are none to compare. I simply explained that i have a full time job that keep me busy away from practice sometimes for weeks and i only touch the guitar for few minutes a a day since i also have to keep myself updated for work purposes. I simply said that i only wanna sit and watch. silent and polite! I can't dare to offer a service for free and make someone who earns for a living loose a job even if my level is not to be compared with his that schools would not complain! It is a matter of respect when you ask a permission to record, exactly like those who will point their camera in your face and suddenly take a photo of you without asking! I was only disappointed cuz i see the guy 4 times a month and i'm not planning for anything but a simple decent level move when you feel like you wanna go further. Full time job is a priority and unfortunately will reduce the practice time. THanks for replying everyone.
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RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to mark indigo)
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schools will prefer a guitar student for free to accompany the dance if he want to lean than calling a pro and pay him!!
it's not good if you offer to play for free and he loses the work.... but if he's playing for them and getting paid you could "sit in" with him and play along.... most pro guitarists are cool with this.
If they don't have a guitarist and you offer to play, then he's not losing out because he didn't have the job in the first place. I can't see what the problem is....
i agree with this. Dance practice helps so much with your inner metronome!
RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
When after accompanying (and recording) numerous dance lessons i was invited to join the dance teacher in a public performance (which is quite an other thing) i was allowed to play/study (but not copy/own) audio recordings of a previous performance....i'm not sure that "no copies allowed" rule was to protect the dance choreography (back then a lifetime of work) or the input of the other guitarist (also a lifetime of work).....the same teacher did also not allow students to visit other teachers (either to prevent the choreographies to spread or fearing the competition and probably both).
On top of the illegal copy i made myself of that audio-recording i did manage to get hold of a video recording of a public student performance made by a friend of 1 of the students....maybe you can also ask a friend to do some recordings during future performances.
I always allowed students (and obviously friends and colleges) to record my lessons/performances, but i would not like them to post it on youtube without my personal artistic blessing....to many bad notes on an average day :-)
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RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
tomrocker--as i understand your post your teacher was a performer in the event and you were there in a student role. is that correct? if so then i would have to agree with your teacher with respect to recording the event. it was his event and you were there as his guest and/or part of the troupe. what people do in the audience is beyond his control but as his guest and/or part of the troupe he does have control and his wish was for you to not record the event. common courtesy would dictate that as a guest or student one follows the wishes of the host or teacher.
RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
I was a simple guest in there. I made a reservation, had dinner, paid an expensive check for the quality of food served in this restaurant and so many others were recording the event and i'm not. Of course i can't dare to public anything anywhere. My aim was only academic and i do respect my teacher desire no problem. As he said ' youtube is full of similar videos' and i replied ' yes, but i'm here and i'd have asked questions regarding tecnique and more in my future lessons with you'.
There are no flamenco shows in Milan so often. And when it happen, i love to be there, and when th guitarist performer is your own teacher, this is also a good opportunity for the student to learn. The level is really high so it is something priceless for an intermediate student. I used to attend a monthly workshop held by a cool dancer who come visiting once a month ' Maria del Mar Moreno' i beleive you guys heard about. Her work was not regestered and recording was not allowed. I can understand her protection of the work she is earning money with inside a dancing school, but in a gig, if i take out my own camera and register, i'll be lije any other attendant and no problem at all. I didcask a permission cuz i ill pretend to be asked if i'm the performer but my answer to my own students will never be no!
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RE: PIssed off Form My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
tomrocker--since you were a paying customer you had every right to record it (assuming it did not violate the rules of the establishment) and i agree with your point of view.
RE: PIssed off From My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
How good are you relative to your teacher? I'm quite familiar with jealousy coming from musicians who think they're better simply because they've been in the business longer than you have (but also happen to have a massive inferiority complex).
Also, I've heard the "no videos of my performance!!" stuff before and it just comes down to that person being in the stone age as far as technology is concerned. If these folks seriously think that a YouTube video can replace a live performance, they have no idea how to utilize tech for promotional purposes. Although, again, the fact that this was specifically targeted at you leads me to believe that there's a jealousy component at play.
"...but my answer to my own students will never be no!"
Amen! I am the same way. I am glad that people like us are putting a stop to this stupidity.
Much of the protectionism (both guitar AND dance) seems to relate to individual insecurities and, I suspect, is more noticeable in areas where the flamenco talent is thin on the ground and people think they own their patch for a lifetime. It is very difficult for newcomers to enter a closed shop - even when the standards in that shop are not particularly high.
This is 100% true and is quite prevalent here in Minnesota. Fortunately the people who "own the patch" in MN are on their way out in terms of their audience (it's shrinking exponentially), playing ability, and age.
RE: PIssed off From My Teacher! (in reply to Tomrocker)
As a matter of fact my level is not to be compared with him as i'm not that good on stage. I WISH ONEDAY! when flamenco is only a hobby, you've got little time which control your progress. And this is the point! He believes that practice makes perfect and the kid of today will grow up and become a man tomorrow! really Strange thinking of how one day i might be considering taking flamenco as a way of living! I'd love too, really, and we are paying classes, buying books, cds etc for the love of this marvelous art and above all to Enjoy ourselves. To hear of a teacher that in the future you might replace him in your own town was really weird in my opinion and since he is the only cool in town, the most expensive too, sometimes they will take advantage. there is also a local singer who lives in here and cuz he is the only hard bone in town, he deals with flamenco as a job and there is no spirit.
MY x teacher and friend who lived in Jerez for like five years and a year and a half years ago decided to come back for the economical crisis in Europe in general and Spain in specific, changed again his mind and went back to spain cuz in here he said there is no future for flamenco! so instead of working with the old flamencos in here, he was making a monthly night by inviting a Spanish singer in town, a young student with talent who can transmit a lot with some local good italian dancers from some schools here, all went good, then people stopped attending so for costs and stuff, he stopped doing that and then gradually gave up and went back to Spain!
It agree with you guys that is is really difficult joining a small community. Instead of giving you a hand, they treats you as if you are an intruder! The situation in Spain is really different as flamenco is available and you can simply change places, schools till you find comfort and ease somewhere.
I would love to see Flamenco flourishing in the North of Italy and to see as many schools in the future.. take a look as the video , this is the actual picture in here.
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Well, there is not enough info to really say what's going on with the teacher... you could be totally right and something wrong with the guy. But as usual I like to play devil's advocate. Prepare yourself.....
About the filming of the show....ok, there is a difference from not giving express permission to someone vs saying "ok everybody EXCEPT my student please whip out your iphones please....".... Hope you get my drift? Perhaps there should have been a public announcement before hand...but if its a freakin restaurant it's not a big deal. Here is the deal....we the performers DON"T WANT TO BE FILMED. Perhaps we don't mind...I don't say anything but man lately there have been some obnoxious fools. A guy standing up in the resaurant whith his bright ass spot light on us blocking the view of some other tables of well mannered listeners. Ok, yes I flipped him the bird and stuck my tongue out while I was playing ....oooops... Normally I just sit there and let the dancers look annoyed, I dont have anything to hide. Maybe it was cuz I knew the people who's view was blocked ....anyway. If a student asks me I say "look...if I let you do it then every other Mutha fuka in this place is gonna whip out their iphones. Do you know how much it sucks to perform for a room FULL of camera lights instead of PEOPLE? It sucks...rather not do it...". So It's totally understandable. Sure you feel bad if a rude aggressive person feels they have a right and then inspire others...once you are playing not much you can do at that point. But it's not the same as telling a student don't film as if it means EVERYONE ELSE can do it....it's not the same at all.
Just the other night i was in a juerga after the gig and as soon as I started playing...7 people all with the Iphones...I stopped and gave em all **** for it BIG TIME. It's fuking rude to be honest. If someone can be discreet about it that's different...especially if you WANT them to share it with you or whatever if the performance was good. THe esperanza vid I got was from a buddy who did it super discreetly and I didn't even know about it. BUt I was thankful after all but for sure I would have said no if he had asked me.
So...in other words...it's not about the sharing of the video...it's about not being connected to the performance. This goes for everyone else...there is a time to just turn the darn phones off and experience the thing or real.
Ok about dance class...it's called undercutting. THat is if the student is actually HELPING the class...in most cases they are not helping much. For the record I was paid to play for classes even when I was learning...I never played for a class for zero money. I did have students sit in but honestly, for their sake...it's pointless. THey don't learn how to do it unless they do it alone...trust me. So I don't see the as a threat but if the teacher says no, you have to respect that.
ANd finally, respect....well most people in internet candy land seem to think that is something needs to be earned. I disagree. I thing if people paid their dues or is simply OLDER that deserves a respect. For example....i see these days in internet land a huge lack of respect for our elders in simple use of language. It's spilling over into real life I have noticed....especially with "kidults" of the younger generation who don't know the proper way to talk with older people. It's embarrassing. Anyway, the simple fact you have decided to publicly expose what you believe to be short comings of the teacher, is a form of disrespect and reveals what type of student you might be. And that is regardless if what you are implying is true (your teacher's insecurity lack of openness or opportunity for the students etc). Sorry if that sounds harsh and against the grain, it's just the way I personally feel about it. So many people like to point fingers at teacher's shortcomings but I have realized about myself and others that it is actually all about the STUDENT if learning is going to happen. Extracting info from bad teachers is much easier, even by simple observation, than the opposite....Great teachers trying to break through to bad head strong students. It could be in fact the things you might find as complaints about your teacher ARE the lesson you should be learning.
Now keep in mind I don't mean to sound like I am giving YOU specfic a hard time...it's just my general devil's advocate way to look at things and yes I can be annoying I know. But hopefully you might give a second or more careful thought to the issue before you decide to write this person off as a bad person and teacher.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
I'm with Ricardo on this issue. I've put together many workshops with guitarists and find it incredibly rude and presumptuous when students just start taping without asking permission. I do think it is important to use these technologies. We usually arrange time to tape a certain technique or falseta when the instructor is ready. Ricardo has done several workshops by me and is extremely generous about letting students tape him. But sometimes he may say, just watch and listen before you tape so you understand what I'm doing. Grisha has a similar approach. And, whenever they do a concert for us, we prohibit the audience from all forms of recording. The pervasive attitude that you somehow have the right to do as you please regardless of whether the person wants to be taped or not is wrong. I believe, though, this will continue to be a challenge in the future.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Hippocrisy is THE MOST annoying thing in the world. Should have made a deal with him to not share it on YT or something. A guitar student should always be allowed to film the show of his teacher. Playing a gig is usually where students want to get, and its their teachers task to make them get there. I couldnt imagine a better tool for learning than recording an actual show. You could even ask the teacher some questions about the show. I can only imagine 2 reasons why somebody doesnt want to get filmed (if its done in a non-disturbing way of course): they dont want their stuff to be shared among the local flamenco scene or if the quality of the recording is bad they fear it could hurt their image. I dont think any artist would decline an offer to shoot a professionally made DVD with him... (and by the way i think Vicentes DVD is the best concert recording i have ever heard).
I find flashlights much more annoying!! Filming is much more discrete when its done right.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Wow, how different cultures are. Flamenco is Spanish, so Wael, do things the spanish way. Dont ask and if some tells you to stop recording, stop recording and say "No pasa nada" I can understand when a teacher in a workshop situation say stop recording, listen and wait. To me that sound professional. But this was a show... Go back and live in the 19th century if you dont want people to record you. And especially, he should be prould that his favorite pupil wants to record him.
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Ricardo)
I had the same experience-I never played a class for free, even when I started, and I never really got it by playing with more experienced guitarist in classes-they were holding it down, not me. I invited various other guitarists to sit and play with the class sometimes, and felt it did help them, but it became a distraction to the teacher. How much it REALLY helped them, I don't know.
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Ok about dance class...it's called undercutting. THat is if the student is actually HELPING the class...in most cases they are not helping much. For the record I was paid to play for classes even when I was learning...I never played for a class for zero money. I did have students sit in but honestly, for their sake...it's pointless. THey don't learn how to do it unless they do it alone...trust me. So I don't see the as a threat but if the teacher says no, you have to respect that.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Advices and feedback from the seniors are always appreciated and never annoying so thank you all taking the time and expressing your opinions.
RESPECT is everything. I'll never record before asking, i'll never share/ public materials of someone if i didn't have a permission. I was upset because i was told not to, while others did record the show and nobody complained! i can't help but being PISSED that night! I put a video of a show, cuz it is public on youtube and free access to everyone online. I'm asking here because i know this is not happening often, a simple show in a restaurant is a no big deal.
Back to the allowed recordings with a previous teacher, i learnt a lot by going back and asking about this part and that part, it is useful when you replay it many times cuz you were there and every time you watch, you learn something new. no exposed materials, no disrespect to anyone specially MY OWN TEACHER. i just find it weired to get NO as an answer while others are recording no problem!
A student will be always thirsty for knowledge. Sometimes i hear that people will stop playing flamenco and change direction, may be for another style or even for no reason. They will get bored and stop. I'm in the situation that this will not happen to me! Even if i don't practice much, i breathe flamenco everyday. In the car while going to work, in the lunch break to reply in here or even read the foro without continuos contribution. I just feel it inside and i wanna get it grow. I sit down at night and take out the guitar and play something and then i feel comfort inside, or even reading about that Spain and its Flamenco. When you feel all that inside, you just go search events and when they are out there you are there!
I talked to my teacher later and he said, he don't like to be recorded and i do respect his desire. i didn't argue about who already recorded that night. I had my 1hour lesson, shaked his hand, went back home trying to figure out how can i play what i had in a perfect way! Musicians are not all the same, so i'll not then do much ado about nothing and i'll pretend then that nothing happened.
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
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RESPECT is everything. I'll never record before asking, i'll never share/ public materials of someone if i didn't have a permission. I was upset because i was told not to, while others did record the show and nobody complained! i can't help but being PISSED that night! I put a video of a show, cuz it is public on youtube and free access to everyone online. I'm asking here because i know this is not happening often, a simple show in a restaurant is a no big
Look...I understand your frustration. You are pissed that your TEACHER didn't complain or make a big stink to strangers after tell YOU how he felt. So you are sad you didn't get to be a bad boy like the others. Did it not ever occur to you that perhaps your teacher and others would have appreciated that after telling YOU "no" that, YOU could have gone and complained to the other disrespectful audience members... quietly saying "sorry but that is my professor and he appreciate you not filming otherwise I would be too..." that type of thing? Rather than just get mad about it I mean which serves no purpose. Do you not see that you are the insider, and the others not really worth complaining to? Like I said, I don't make a point to complain ONCE I AM ON STAGE, it's too late...except special cases. THe people whom I value I give inside rules of respect...no talk, no film, NO PALMAS....etc...so they don't get put in the tantos category with the rest of the sheeple audience. They are here today gone tomorrow...bye hasta la vista baby....but the students are supposed to be long standing members of the community, repeat audience, and need to be up on the proper etiquette early as possible.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Just a couple of quick notes in response to Ricardo's points.
I agree in so far as affording respect simply based on age, and I think this should definitely translate to respecting requests made by these individuals (in this case, not filming the performance). However, I believe that this respect MUST be mutual in some capacity -- understandably, older members of the flamenco community demand more respect due to their experience and knowledge, but I personally will lose respect for such an individual if they have a huge ego and think they are God's gift to mankind and talk **** about other people behind their backs. There's a certain point when one must stand back and look at these issues purely from a human perspective, removed from flamenco or music or anything like that. If someone disrespects you in any capacity, particularly when it is unwarranted, it is very difficult to continue respecting them. For example.
We all know Segovia is a pioneering figure in classical guitar. However, clearly there was some hero-worship going on here. If there hadn't been, then Chapdelaine could have correctly called out Segovia for being an ego-maniacal ***hole. I know I would. Again, I realize that he would command respect simply due to all of his accomplishments and his age, but that didn't give him any right to act in this way. Just my two cents.
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Bulerias2005)
Fair enough about ego. I like to remember Mclaughlin's statement "the only egoless persons are saints, and you don't see saints playing guitars!". I will only add that personally, even towards the older stuck up close minded gossipers of flamenco world...if they have paid some sort of "dues" and have experience, they also deserve respect. Even if that means just avoid them to a certain extent...but in the same room respect must be shown IMO, regarding how they are addressed and spoken too at least. I only show a sort of joking disrespect to my peers, and in a way they know I am giving them a hard time. Some old time flamencos in my area, I have seen some disrespect shown to over the years, in subtle ways, and I neither worship them as heroes nor want to kiss up to them, but as authentic flamencos I feel they deserve an extra respect....there are some that disagree with me, but I don't care.
Some of the back story Richard reveals (such as this was the 3rd time Chap annoyed Segovia with that fingering issue ), might change your opinion. I for one look at Chap as the ego minded one trying to think he was so cool and original to have found a new way. Typical to see the issue backwards... a simple rule of "respect your elders" avoids the possiblity of that issue.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Fair enough about ego. I like to remember Mclaughlin's statement "the only egoless persons are saints, and you don't see saints playing guitars!". I will only add that personally, even towards the older stuck up close minded gossipers of flamenco world...if they have paid some sort of "dues" and have experience, they also deserve respect. Even if that means just avoid them to a certain extent...but in the same room respect must be shown IMO, regarding how they are addressed and spoken too at least. I only show a sort of joking disrespect to my peers, and in a way they know I am giving them a hard time. Some old time flamencos in my area, I have seen some disrespect shown to over the years, in subtle ways, and I neither worship them as heroes nor want to kiss up to them, but as authentic flamencos I feel they deserve an extra respect....there are some that disagree with me, but I don't care.
Some of the back story Richard reveals (such as this was the 3rd time Chap annoyed Segovia with that fingering issue ), might change your opinion. I for one look at Chap as the ego minded one trying to think he was so cool and original to have found a new way. Typical to see the issue backwards... a simple rule of "respect your elders" avoids the possiblity of that issue.
Agreed. Like I was saying, I think there should always be an underlying respect that is removed from any kind of personal spats and is simply focused on that person's age and/or achievements. I think this is a good rule to live by in general as well. And haha, I like that McLaughlin quote! Very true.
Thanks for the link re: Segovia! Interesting to get a second perspective.
P.S. I totally agree with what Mark Indigo said below.
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Ricardo)
interesting to be talking about respect....
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A guy standing up in the resaurant whith his bright ass spot light on us blocking the view of some other tables of well mannered listeners.
these people are both not respecting the performers and the other audience around them.... i hate being in the audience when someone is doing this.... why can't they just enjoy the show NOW instead? And because of this behaviour it distracts everyone around them from enjoying the show.... I know, it's the C21st, people have no attention span, want everything now, etc. etc. but I still don't like it
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ANd finally, respect....well most people in internet candy land seem to think that is something needs to be earned. I disagree. I thing if people paid their dues or is simply OLDER that deserves a respect.
To me there are different levels of respect. At the bottom level is what people used to call "common decency" - sounds really pompous these days, but it's just the basic level of respect you show to everyone, old or young.
then there is the extra respect you show to older people or teachers, people who's achievements in whatever field makes others look up to them and respect them (ie. they have already earned respect over their lifetimes or careers). But I think that this category of people should still give the "basic" level of respect to other human beings, or they start to lose that respect owing to them.
And when people in positions of authority, whether they are top artists or politicians, abuse that position, they lose respect, and rightly so IMO
RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Ricardo, i could've done that. Simply i didn't wanna be a nag moving between tables and asking people to stop recording, i prefered to enjoy the show instead! It is hard to attend/ enjoy a show in here so my attitude was just '' peace&love'. I do get your point anyway.
Daniel:Seniority is something hard to get but much respect is normaly for who give respect in return. Not only in flamenco but in life in general. I do agree with you. The Most smartest and good ones are always modest and humble. They don't need to show up with big words and prove anything to anyone. They work hard and thier work speaks for themselvies.
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Tomrocker)
Forgive me for getting off topic. I agree with Ricardo on the importance of respecting elders, and I expect that most of you have the same opinion. It is usually very difficult, though, for all parties involved. We all hear older people say that times have changed and that people today are disrespectful toward others, etc. I think it's true, but I've also met very few older people who are able to interact with younger people without being condescending, intolerant, dismissive, etc.
It's very important for younger people to know how to put a lid on the ego when in the company of their elders. The younger person has to realize that the older person is going to be more reserved at first (maybe maintaining this attitude for what might seem like a long time) even when facing contradiction, confrontation, etc. In my vocabulary, this is an example of wisdom (long term) as opposed to cleverness (short term). Even the stupidest old person has learned how to "wait and see what happens." This unfortunate word (stupid) brings me to my next point: Many people are born stupid and remain stupid in their old age. In my opinion, many fail to learn the finer points of human experience (generosity, tolerance, etc.), which is very sad. Of course, when I look at others and draw these conclusions, I can't know the whole story (physical pain and being insecure, for example, can make people seem like jerks), but I see a lot of closed-minded resentment and condescension among older people. The concept of an "old-school" vs. "new-school" guitar debate represents very well both sides of the issue that I'm describing here. Keeping the mind open and the ego in check are monumental tasks for any human being, for sure, but old-timers are supposed to have maturity that gives them some kind of advantage in this regard.
Summing up: I agree that all old people deserve respect and that many young people today don't seem to care about this. On the other hand, there's no fool like an old fool.
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