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Come on ...see the truth.. when friends gather... what do we play for fun?... Its always bulerias.. Only in rare cases mybe some other stuff.
Face it... flamenco is 90% bulerias.. and the funny thing is..when amateurs gather.. 90% cant play.. maybe one ****ty bulerias falseta. But in our minds we play it great. Coz after trying it 100 times alone at home we got it down 1 time good..and that sticks in our imagination...
Flamenco is ****ing hard. And you can´t play if you are the 99 out of 100.
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
Solea', the mother of all palos.
Cheers,
Bill
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to XXX)
Deniz, I just noticed your signature: "Flamenco" in the cyrillic alphabet. Very clever and cool.
Cheers,
Bill
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
Come on ...see the truth.. when friends gather... what do we play for fun?... Its always bulerias.. Only in rare cases mybe some other stuff.
Face it... flamenco is 90% bulerias.. and the funny thing is..when amateurs gather.. 90% cant play.. maybe one ****ty bulerias falseta. But in our minds we play it great. Coz after trying it 100 times alone at home we got it down 1 time good..and that sticks in our imagination...
Flamenco is ****ing hard. And you can´t play if you are the 99 out of 100.
Face it. Its so sad.
....just needed to vent a little.
Been saying it for years. Jaleo/ Solea/Alegria/buleria por solea/guajira/ etc etc....all buleria in disguise. Or rather, if you got buleria under the belt it covers all those, plus some fandango and triplety tientos/tangos stuff and tanguillo too. ANd if you got tanguillo you got rumba pretty easily.
It leaves the final 10% compas wise to siguiriya, a very unique and strange compas, but equally important.
Anyway, I am talking compas not fasletas of course. YOu can do A LOT with just good compas.
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Nah you are all wrong.
Its only
Bulerias. =))
Horse***t!
Sad to hear you say this Doit.
I always thought you were a much more traditional 'flamenco'.
Always felt Bulerias was very much a "blood andf thunder" show-off palo, for tocaores and bailores; and tourists. And lacking many of the more profound duende qualities of, for example; Soleares, Fandangos, Seguiriyas, Tientos, et al, etc. etc.
And that's not even including the lyrical qualities of the toques libres. . . .
"Its only Bulerias"?
How could you make such a statement in here, Doit?
For me, Bulerias is rhytmically exciting, challenging to play, generally played too fast for my taste, and popular for tourists. Personally I always thought it was much over-rated as a palo. But then, who the hell am I to comment? I don't even play Bulerias, because I never really liked it.
I think maybe your post was just a rhetorical question, ( como no)???
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
Im talking only about parties. Nobody plays guajira at a party. Everybody does buleris. No tientos not fandango..nothing. Bulerias + few exceptions.. I think the left over palos should be deleted.
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to bursche)
A good rasgueado and nothing else would get you 90 percent there.
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to britguy)
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duende qualities of, for example; tement in here, Doit? ........who the hell am I to comment? I don't even play Bulerias, because I never really liked it.
this duende quality of yours is BS !!! HAVE YOU LISTENED TO MORAITO POR BULERIAS??? if you tell me you dont like his bulerias at least, i say that you dont really get flamenco!
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to BarkellWH)
Aside from my preference for rasgueado (if I had to pick one dominant technique), I think one of the most under-rated techniques in flamenco is a well-executed tremolo. A well-executed tremolo really adds a beautiful touch to many palos, particularly solea'.
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to BarkellWH)
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I think one of the most under-rated techniques in flamenco is a well-executed tremolo. A well-executed tremolo really adds a beautiful touch to many palos
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
Here in spain Sevillanas are just as much party music as bulerias.
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Im talking only about parties. Nobody plays guajira at a party. Everybody does buleris. No tientos not fandango..nothing. Bulerias + few exceptions.. I think the left over palos should be deleted.
flamenco isn't only about playing uptempo music for other people and on the matter, I am quite sure in spanish flamenco parties only a fraction of the music played is bulerias(at least if the musicians are skilled and based on my experiences). And if it's a party which requires uptempo music there are other palos than bulerias for that. (at least tangos, alegrias, sevillanas)
And if one is learning flamenco only to perform it at parties then I think it's kind of BS.
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
Look at our falseta swap shop. Bulerias has most contributions by far.. That speaks for itself I think. Since we have so many contributions it gives a good overview about the popularity of certain palos..(even if I didnt update for ages....).
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
Im talking only about parties. Nobody plays guajira at a party. Everybody does buleris. No tientos not fandango..nothing. Bulerias + few exceptions.. I think the left over palos should be deleted.
Sadly they ARE being deleted in a way, little by little over time. ON the one hand buleria has taken over a new dimension as singers will express with it more than just the party vibe (festero), and even make up new letras and give a very profound and deep expression. I think bulerias is now a genre of it's own and very flamenco at the same time. Unlike other party music, sevillanas and rumba, which is arguably outside of "flamenco" as a genre, or rather their own genres in some cases.
But as each successive generation adds more and more to specific forms, the other neglected forms get lost. Such is the evolution of the music. But its ok so long as there is still arte there. I much prefer a singer limited to but very good at buleria, than hear some singer try to interpret tons and tons of different styles of solea etc if it's just mediocre. Quality over quantity....but it is still sad cuz flamenco has such a rich history and variety of styles. just check out norman's site for solea and siguiriya ONLY. Nowadays I only hear 3 or four of each of those forms. THe singers have gravitated to creating more within buleria/tango/rumba etc cuz they feel a freedom there, where as solea and sig fandango etc are too hard because one must really study those difficult styles in detail and not make up crap.
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
LOL kudo, that is funny. Although at first impression i thought the boy would be crying which would make it funnier, because we all know that this is feeling when working with a dancer, not the macho one...
bursche, that might be a true observation but there are exceptions!! But generally yes it true.
RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Doitsujin)
And on this thread I side with Ricardo. I read this last night when I could not sleep between 4:30 and 7:30am.
Bulerias is the fiesta cante, and I love bulerias. I love festeros who mess with it and clown around while being serious. I'm remembering seeing El Mono and his comitragic thing. And Miguel Funi has this wonderful long cuple' por bulerias about Belmonte the bullfighter. I can listen to bulerias all night, almost.
There are different kinds of flamenco gatherings. Sometimes a meeting gets called because you need and thirst for getting down to business and it might not include a lot of bulerias for dancing and general participation. There are those times which I find myself more and more drawn to, and less and less able to find; a real small group of serious flamenco listeners who want solea, mainly, all night. And along with the solea, siguriyas, and fandangos grandes, the opposite of the Huelva variety, as great as they are.
And to keep everyone from slitting their collective wrists and bleeding into the beer, an Alegrias or cantinas to interleaf between the soleares. Then one of the capable people in the room will play a gutiar solo and since the mood is contemplative and the listeners are tuned up, a taranto or even buleria por taranto, and that leads into the singer working up a profound and solemn tientos; because tientos can almost be like solea in the right moment. Then things might drag a bit, the wine gets sipped the hour gets late, the guitar is sitting on a chair next to the table. The it really happens and someone raps compas from their knuckles on the table and the best solea of the night seeps out to give everyone what they needed.
Then if you are really lucky one of the singers leaves to take a whizz or snort some coke and decides the party needs a festero routine por buleria and proceeds to rip it up using golf loafers and cell phones as props while telling an outrageous drunk story. Then the bulerias to solea cycle begins again with a solea por buleria, which at that hour of the night might get really slow and leads to more solea sin guitar with the singers taking turns for fifteen minutes, which is how you end.
So I agree bulerias is all you ever need, except when you need solea. And you need solea much, much more if you know what is good for you. There's something about a small group of good listeners that stay with the flamenco for several hours and everyone becomes a bit fatigued and the players get more loose and don't stress. Sometimes something really magical and moving happens, and sometimes not.
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