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RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
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I just want to learn an entire peace in that palo. do you know some awesome Soleá por Bulería?
Weren't you the guy that had problem with compas already trying vicente solea etc? ???
You need to work on COMPAS and ONE FALSETA AT A TIME. Forget the full "pieces" concept, ERASE it from your head....or else Erik is gonna give you another long story about playing one note for 8 hours a day!!!!
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RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to Ricardo)
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You need to work on COMPAS and ONE FALSETA AT A TIME. Forget the full "pieces" concept, ERASE it from your head....
This is exactly right. I have been saying and teaching this for years. You are never going to understand and learn flamenco if you start by trying to learn "set pieces." You have to first learn the compas, and the way to do that is just what Ricardo said – one falseta at a time.
The fact is that for many, many years, that is exactly how flamenco guitar was learned – one falseta at a time. To carry it one step further, having learned X number of falsetas in any given palo, you should always practice them in random order.
RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to Ramon Amira)
You can still focus on single falsetas but once you've finished one take another falseta from the same piece. I'd recommend Pepe Habichuelas' "Remate".
Anyway take Ricardo's advice: if single falsetas still don't work perfectly you can forget about the piece you got them from.
My question and I don't mean to hijack this post, but, is it okay to work more than one palos compas?
Take it step by step. Do one palo, hammer the compas into your head, make sure you're getting comfortable with it. Then learn a couple of falsetas. Once you're good doing those, I don't see any harm starting to work on another palo's compas. Just don't introduce too many new ones at the same time or else you'll get lost. Sticking with just one can get boring...
RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
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Take it step by step. Do one palo, hammer the compas into your head, make sure you're getting comfortable with it. Then learn a couple of falsetas. Once you're good doing those, I don't see any harm starting to work on another palo's compas. Just don't introduce too many new ones at the same time or else you'll get lost. Sticking with just one can get boring
Thanks Ramzi
I am starting to realize that Flamenco is a lot like electric blues. In that I mean the more riffs that one learns in the blues the more creating and compositions can happen. Well the samething applies to flamenco..The more rhythmic phrasing and falseta learned the more one can understand and create!
I believe that is what flamenco is all about...Learning a full blown piece is not what it is all about...
I think for many beginner/intermediate want to learn fast so we can PLAY and enjoy and we forget it is a journey and a process! For me I went back to learning SOLEA all over again, but, I am also still working on Buleria...
For me, it's very simple. I don't think I will ever be able to get down as deep as the greats on this foro have reached (at least not very soon). So I just try to work on technique, and learn compas basics. Once I've learned the compas for a palo, I learn compas variations, including remates, cierres, typical intros and endings, etc. Once I have that, I learn some falsetas. Once I have those down, I try to compose a bit. If something is super un-clear, I ask about it here. And the process repeats itself.
RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
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For me, it's very simple. I don't think I will ever be able to get down as deep as the greats on this foro have reached (at least not very soon). So I just try to work on technique, and learn compas basics. Once I've learned the compas for a palo, I learn compas variations, including remates, cierres, typical intros and endings, etc. Once I have that, I learn some falsetas. Once I have those down, I try to compose a bit. If something is super un-clear, I ask about it here. And the process repeats itself.
Seriously, that is some GREAT advise on how you create and compose! And, IMHO, your playing is AWESOME!
I would be honor to come up with the cool compositions and videos in the way you do!
RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
Thank you very much, but I have to say that i already took the advice from ricardo he gave me about 1/2 a year ago. I think i have improved my compás after accompanying a dance class... I asked you guys only to get inspiration and take from here and there falsetas i like. I know that you (ricardo) are right when you advice me to learn single falseta rather than an entire piece. But i asked because i don't KNOW that much solo-pieces in that palo and of course to learn new falsetas i like (like pepe's solxbul)
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RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
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ORIGINAL: jof
Thank you very much, but I have to say that i already took the advice from ricardo he gave me about 1/2 a year ago. I think i have improved my compás after accompanying a dance class... I asked you guys only to get inspiration and take from here and there falsetas i like. I know that you (ricardo) are right when you advice me to learn single falseta rather than an entire piece. But i asked because i don't KNOW that much solo-pieces in that palo and of course to learn new falsetas i like (like pepe's solxbul)
If you check encuentro series, lots of good falsetas to grab. Nuñez in the pulgar section, Tomatito, Chicuelo, Pepe Habichuela.
PDL only has two solo pieces, both exemplary, Celosa from Fantasia, and Solera from Fuente y Caudal. I have my own piece "madera sonora" you can buy the score for 8 bucks from my site, and the new piece I have on youtube is a solea por medio....to me the two forms are essentially the same but tempo makes the main difference with the "aire" or distinction for guitarists.
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RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to athrane77)
Manuel Granados’s 'Manual Didactico de la Guitarra Flamenca Vol. 2’ has some nice, very standard solea por bulerias stuff, all just basic falsetas and compas filler, short single compas cycle length stuff. It’s only five pages and about fifteen individual short ideas, but it’s all pretty much textbook stuff, the basic ingredients for solea por bulerias. Oh, and 'solea por bulerias' is NOT listed along with the other toques on the cover of the volume 2 book, which is confusing, but it IS in there.
And, ahem , Ricardo has a solea por bulerias lesson over at flamenco-teacher.com, which has a couple compas patterns, a couple falsetas from his CD, and two short “examples” of what basic put-it-all-together phrases of solea por bulerias and solea por medio sound like. The falsetas are pretty tricky, but those basic meat and potatoes examples at the end of the lesson are really nice.
RE: Awesome "oldschool" So... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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I just want to learn an entire peace in that palo. do you know some awesome Soleá por Bulería?
Forget the full "pieces" concept, ERASE it from your head....or else Erik is gonna give you another long story about playing one note for 8 hours a day!!!!
Ricardo
Actually i never studied more than 4 hours on a day and studying 1 note for 5-10 minutes can already be very intense if you do it correctly (than pick another note :-).
My father worked out numerous falsetas by ear/eye consulting records, videos and (when possible) the composer. In general he avoided complete pieces. In stead each style is represented by a couple of pages introducing the basic compas (stap by stap, both technically and musically) fallowed by a variety of well chosen openings, endings, compasvariations and falsetas from various sources covering all levels.
Soleares is covered by over 150 pages. For some lesser played styles the amount of useful/inspiring material available was so small that he occasionally choose to include a complete piece instead (or as well). One of those pieces is the wonderful Soleá por Bulerias Paco Pena included in his 1975 record "fabulous flamenco". Later he also included the (almost) complete Soleá por Bulerias from Tauromagia.
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, Ricardo has a solea por bulerias lesson over at flamenco-teacher.com, which has a couple compas patterns, a couple falsetas from his CD, and two short “examples” of what basic put-it-all-together phrases of solea por bulerias and solea por medio sound like. The falsetas are pretty tricky, but those basic meat and potatoes examples at the end of the lesson are really nice.
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