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Bulerias2005
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 RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to suniram)
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I can't say I'm a huge fan of Vicente's stuff. I love Un Momento en el Sonido, though, and a few of his earlier pieces. Brilliant stuff on that record. All in all, though, I think his playing is too light, but that's just me.
Edit - Ciudad de las Ideas has got to be my least favorite of his albums, strictly from a flamenco perspective. It's nice music, but it's very pop-infused. I don't even count Paseo de Gracia as a Vicente Amigo album because it's pop shlock he was forced to record by record companies.
Edit 2 - The guajira on Poeta is beautiful.
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Date Jul. 15 2012 4:19:09
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to KMMI77)
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and knows when not to overdo it, both within his playing and compositions.
this is true in particular songs I think so but I have not found the same when it comes to general sound, and aire he gives out as a guitarist... ...i was kind of turned off paying proper attention to the last one, i just cant get into it, cause it dosent feel like a new album...its like an extension of the one before...in fact i feel like his whole music even different palos what should be different sentiments are at times is just part of the same one long music track that just changes palos but has the same musical ideas and sentiments..very weird...i dont know if it is the case...but its just how i think of it in general without thinking specifics or braking it down...just my first reaction
enough with everything being so heavy and gloomy and so complicated already  if i had to describe the sentiments his music overall leaves me with in one word gloomy is the first the comes to mind..
like the guy that makes something deep for no reason of even the lightest what should be just playful things...when the mood should just be light, cheeky and move on...but no he needs to be the drama queen, and take it all to that serious place you might not always necessarily wanna go or the occasion might not necessarily call for (like doing a wedding toast for you and talking about kids starving in Africa...just doesn't know when to turn the heavy off)...
so i might not necessarily be thinking elevator music, theres certainly things from him i love but i think...kind on a loop and stuck around exploring the same vicente musical ideas hes always had...kind of lost its element of surprise...the pullons and pulloffs, the delayed, heavy dark playing etc.....personally i think at some point started out as the most brilliant and original and freshest musician....and then he kind of stayed where he was safe that people liked him..instead of taking risks and taking them to different places
I think its important to know when you did it, when you were fresh...and when to move on so that you dont become your "style" prove that your originality is just that..."originality"...not an accident or a result of an expression limitation...like a lisp that sounds cute, original and different at first but then annoys you later on when you just need to understand wtf shes saying
(kind of like actors being typecast...imagine the guy that played Kramer in Seinfeld doing anything else now and expecting you to not see Kramer or believe him)....this days i am tending to think your "style" should not be that noticeable...its a limitation if you dont know how to turn it on and off...and some will not agree with this but i think Digeo del Morao is circulating exactly the same risks, because hes so original and his style stands out so much now... he should know when he was the freshest thing, different, original, great...but not allow the style to be him...but the music...not allow himself to be typecast
some like to think of it that "special" someone touch, that "style" i think of it as looping around the same ideas, not growing artistically and becoming predictable and communication limited...
but this is just my 2 cents...it dosent necessarily make it so...different things grab us differently...its probably the most outspoken post i ever made here...but pretend you asked me how i feel about an album I just got and i am speaking frankly to you over a beer...and i got nothing else to talk about so i am milking this conversation for all its got :-) thinking way too deep lol (such a vicente thing to do heh)
in saying all this i would love to come back here in a few months and say, " man i was so wrong"...this new album...makes me feel different
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Date Jul. 15 2012 7:45:24
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machopicasso
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Bulerias2005)
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"Well, the record company was bugging me for a long time to do a record with guest artists, with people I’ve been surrounded by over the years, and here it is."
http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/paginai.jsp?codigo=2416
Doesn't sound like he was terribly enthusiastic about the project.
No, that one comment doesn't sound "terribly enthusiastic." But, if you read further through the interview, he sounds a lot more positive about the album.
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So you sort of got rooked into making this record?
No no, what I mean to say is the record company had the idea from years before to make a record of collaborations, and lots of guest artists. The thing is, I just didn’t set my mind to it, I didn’t have enough material for everything, and I didn’t really feel like doing it, because then it’s hard to do the live show…but now I got it all together and it happened, it’s only logical. I don’t think it subtracts personality from the record, it’s an interesting piece of work.
I can sense that in the recordings you made with José Mercé, Remedios Amaya, Pele…
But it’s very much my own record, you know? It’s like a way of singing with guitar, of accompanying the verses with my melodies. There’s lots of cante, but I’m with them every step of the way, I like to do with the guitar, what everyone else does with voice. It’s also a brave recording because it approaches pop, but always with respect and knowing that I’m first and foremost a flamenco, backing up the harmony and voices in my own way.
I find these remarks interesting because, personally, I was a bit disappointed with this album. He's one of my favorite guitarists, and I think he's capable of doing a lot better. But maybe I should go back and give it another listen. Thanks for posting a link to the interview.
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Date Jul. 18 2012 6:39:23
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Europeans tend to have more openess to modern flamenco and understand how it evolved to its present form. Americans in particular are stuck on sabicas and carlos montoya.
It is not so much a matter of "openness" or understanding how it evolved to its present form. One can be open to new developments in music, art, and literature, and one can very clearly put forth the effort to understand how developments in each of these endeavors evolved, without liking the latest iteration of the genre. For example, long ago Paco de Lucia teamed up with Chick Corea. Now, I like Chick Corea's music, and I like Paco de Lucia's playing. Nevertheless, while I found the Chick Corea-Paco de Lucia collaboration interesting and liked it for what it was, I was less than thrilled by it as flamenco.
Another example is literature. One of my very favorite writers is (was--he is now deceased) Italo Calvino. He was extremely experimental (both in style and content) and carried literature beyond boundaries (much as some describe PDL and flamenco today). I devoured Italo Calvino and consider him great. I think "If on a Winter's Night a Traveler" is a masterpiece. Yet many critics who understood what he was up to did not like it at all. There are those who do not understand how some music and literature evolve, and there are those who do understand. But to be open and to understand how new forms evolve does not necessarily equate to liking the result.
While I agree with Bursche (to an extent) when he stated that "modern flamenco" is "not an appeasement to pop," I do think that "pop" (broadly defined) has had more of an influence on it than many would care to admit. As for most Americans' being stuck on Sabicas and Carlos Montoya, I would agree with you, although I think far more Americans would name Carlos Montoya, since he went all over the country performing in concerts, whereas Sabicas did not. One reason Sabicas did not perform extensively was his fear of flying. Nevertheless, there is no comparison between Sabicas and Carlos Montoya when it comes to superb flamenco.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Jul. 18 2012 22:03:03
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