Paco de Lucia "pieces"

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rombsix

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Paco de Lucia "pieces"

Just wondering if y'all can help me remember what the "pieces" that PdL plays are:

1- Panaderos Flamencos
2- Guajiras de Lucia
3- Percusion Flamenca
4- Mantilla de Feria
5- Monasterio de Sal
6- Barrio la Vina
7- ...

By "pieces" I mean the stuff that he plays (not necessarily his own compositions) which he doesn't think of as "falsetas" but rather as set pieces that he never changes anything in.

Thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 18 2012 22:31:35

kudo

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

5- La Barrosa (my all time fav alegria)

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rombsix

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to kudo)

Ehhhhhh, I kinda disagree about this one Kudo because I think he uses parts of it in other "Alegria mixes" that he does, or he uses other alegria falsetas in renditions of La Barrosa that he does. I'm not 100% sure though...

I was referring to stuff he plays that he never mixes / matches around with.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 18 2012 23:17:19

jg7238

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

Punta Umbria, Reflejo de Luna, Gloria al Nino Ricardo and probably others I can't think of yet.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 18 2012 23:27:09

rombsix

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to jg7238)

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Punta Umbria, Reflejo de Luna, Gloria al Nino Ricardo and probably others I can't think of yet.

Yeah, I just edited my above post. I also realized that this thread was kind of silly because there are many others I hadn't considered "pieces" in my head when they actually were.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 18 2012 23:29:00

vigrond

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

I'm no expert but just wanted to throw one out there that he seems to not modify - Zyryab

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 19 2012 0:11:30

kudo

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

quote:

Just wondering if y'all can help me remember what the "pieces" that PdL plays are:

I wonder whats your goal at the end? even after getting the list, what are you going to do with it?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 19 2012 2:35:22

rombsix

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to kudo)

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I wonder whats your goal at the end? even after getting the list, what are you going to do with it?

Learn them!

I already play Guajiras de Lucia and Panaderos (but very poorly because they are too hard). I like learning those pieces which sound like pieces rather than falsetas. I want to work out my left hand a bit.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 19 2012 7:36:03

Ricardo

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

Even guajiras is a mix of separate falsetas. See YouTube vid w modrego to see duet version of a couple falsetas.

Paco even changed up the zapateado that sounds like a classical piece. Some of his falsetas are arranged to flow
Always the same for sake of duet such as monasterio de sal ..... But truly he only treats some old maestro compositions
as "pieces". Starting w Ramon Montoya ronde~a (which he extracted a couple falsetas from even till 1980s) that he did note for note, panaderos mantilla de feria impetu and ni~o Ricardo's alegria. Again if you want to approach any recording and learn as a composition that is fine.... So long as your technique allows you the ability to respect the tempo. In case of pdl that means you will
most likely have to omit some falsetas or forever play his pieces too slow to give it the right expression. IMO

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 19 2012 14:07:54

rombsix

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to Ricardo)

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In case of pdl that means you will most likely have to omit some falsetas or forever play his pieces too slow to give it the right expression.

Yes, that is surely what will happen. But still, I enjoy them at a slow tempo. Thanks for reminding me about Impetu.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 19 2012 21:24:00

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

Speaking of pieces: I have a Canadian anthology (entitled, inevitably, Entre dos aguas) wherein he plays the Habanera from Bizet’s Carmen, a Tonadilla by Escudero, and a couple of pieces by Andrés Batista.

Does anyone have any idea what album(s) these are taken from? I can’t seem to find them in any standard discography.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 20 2012 15:49:36

rombsix

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

I have a track of him playing Quizas, Quizas, Quizas.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 20 2012 16:26:54

Adam

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

Tico Tico!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2012 3:51:14

henrym3483

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to Adam)

as scott tennant said, "paco is paco, and you're you, there's nothing wrong with that but there's nothing stopping you from striving to achieve your full potential".

paco is superhuman, he was in the right environment, around the right people, and met and exchanged with the right type of musicians which made him what he is today.

never stop striving..thats half the fun

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2012 22:16:10

kikkoman

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to rombsix)

i think he plays most of Piñonate as a piece

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2012 2:50:20

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2012 14:36:13

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Paco de Lucia "pieces" (in reply to Doitsujin)

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There he says..that he never wanna play a piece the same way. There must be changes..always.

Seems to me this is a publicist’s myth, like Entre dos aguas being thrown into Fuente y caudal as an afterthought.

I’ve seen him play note-for-note stuff the same as the record. And I’ve I’ve seen him change it, too.

Probably depends upon the mood of the moment.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2012 16:11:17