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estebanana

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What's in a name? 
The latest guitar I'm building, but with a different kind of label. This is a Chinese seal I made many years ago, combined with my round initials stamp. The seal is made of carved stone and it's pressed into a red block of ink I bought in China. I make a label this way from time to time for certain customers who are not super attached to name recognition. It still identifies it as my guitar, but is less about the demonstration of branding with my name. I prefer this way, maybe I'll move towards unique labels made with seal stamps.

Spanish guitar, Chinese seal, you are who you are. I'm not Spanish and I'm not Chinese, but if we worried about that we would never make, write or draw anything, would we?

When I made the seal I was thinking about some invented alchemists shop in my mind. Alchemy, the silly and naive metaphor we use to signify transformative actions. Naive is good, because it is a better way to create as opposed to self conscious and ego driven.

Your own name means nothing when you create something good, because you really only acted as a tube through which the universe traveled. Lucky you. But the problem is people want name recognition when they spend money on stuff and this is why the universe is not perfect.



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malakka

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
I like this label and your rationale behind it. Very cool!!!
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Armando

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
Hi estebana

Yes, a seal can tell it all like this one for example.

Nevertheless seals can be copied same as Labels but not the instrument. The instrument will always reflect the personality of the maker whether this is a good thing or not.

regards

Armando



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 8 2012 20:01:55
 
estebanana

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
I'm not really worried about people coping my guitars or labels, I'm not famous enough and never will be. Besides that seal is really hard to copy.

I'm just making a statement about the guitar being less about name to emphasize look and listen rather than asking if it is a Conde' The text on labels bothers me too, I prefer something more emblematic that is not text based. The guitar is signed and dated somewhere inside out of plain view though to keep a record of date.

Everything else should just go in to history as a mystery for historians to unravel in a hundred years. You have to keep those folks employed. They need a constant supply of new puzzles to solve.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 8 2012 20:14:28
 
Ron.M

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
quote:

the guitar being less about name to emphasize look and listen rather than asking if it is a Conde'


I've always been that way about guitars....

Sheesh....I got a guitar off a Brasilian guy (in Brasil) that had steel strings fitted, but I could see it was a proper Spanish guitar, so traded it for a Radiocassette recorder I had. The guitar was labeled "Giorgio" and had a Spruce top and the rest Brasilian Rosewood (as they didn't have any export probs at the time...lol)
I filed the hueso down and put a set of Savarez strings on it and used it for years.


cheers.

Ron
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RTC

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to Ron.M) 
I like it, but prefer the real McCoy!
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TANúñez

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
I like it. It's very "Chinish"

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ralexander

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
Which guitar is this, Stephen?

I dig the stamp and your reasons behind it, and would be totally happy with just that on my guitar. Care to comment on the meaning? I can't figure out what the image is.
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estebanana

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to RTC) 
quote:

I like it, but prefer the real McCoy!




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 9 2012 16:32:37
 
estebanana

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to ralexander) 
quote:

I can't figure out what the image is.


It's a just a image I carved on the stone seal blank, I did it kind of stream of consciousness like. I'm going to make more of them, but I'm not interested in recognizable images.

Where do falsetas come from? Do you open up a box that says "Acme Falsetas" and take them out and play them? Falsetas come from listening and playing. I mean they come from playing around, being free and trying ideas and then trying other ideas. They really spring up out of a combination of your technical prowess at noodling and your unconscious. Then you analyze them rationally and then maybe clean them up.

Images don't need to be a representation of anything, you can invent your own meanings. It's open ended, just like music.

For me there's also an element of improv in the making of that label. It's like Ok that is what happened that day. That day will never happen again and that label will be unique.

The jazz saxaphonist Rassann Roland Kirk has this riff on one of his records where he talks and says: "Bright moments, bright moments are like making love on a leaky water bed in a Holiday Inn."

What does that mean? I have no idea, but it's good.

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Estevan

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
I like the label, and its explanatory discourse.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 9 2012 18:49:39
 
estebanana

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
thanks ^

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El Kiko

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
I know people like to have a signature , and a date ,. its old fashioned perhaps but popular for a reason .///....

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estebanana

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RE: What's in a name? (in reply to estebanana) 
Here is what it looks like in the guitar. ( with mocked up fingerboard to frame the rosette, I would not glue that nasty thing one of my boxes)



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