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Hey all! Now the time has come for me to really decide!(need help)
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odinz
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From: Sarpsborg,Norway
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 Hey all! Now the time has come for m...
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I need to decide wether I should go to Spain and stay there for a while and try to study flamenco in some way, or stay here and do higher music education in classical guitar..
I need opinions on it, pros and cons etc..
Ive allready created posts like this before but this time I would really need more concrete info if that is possible(since it is kind of a big decision).
Also it would be nice to find out if anyone could help me a bit or know someone who can.
More like, if someone could teach me or know someone that could, and also help me meet people and get to know the area and stuff like that..
This means that if anyone on this foro would help me with those things or help me find them, I would be a bit attached to them for a while.
I would also offer help and stuff if there is something of course, cleaning, painting, cutting grass,picking up things for them or whatever 
I also will be living on about 2000 euros a month, that isnt alot but I am not looking for luxury, I have no idea about the spanish rental market either, I dont know how to look for appartments and I dont know how expensive it is.
I dont expect to find this all via the foro, but it is worth a try right? 
If anyone is a teacher or want to help me out, I want them to know that I am not some amazing virtuoso, but I am very devoted to practice and also to other people.
I also need help deciding to take the jump or not, it is probably my only chance to do this.
Well, thanks for listening friends at foroflamenco!
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Date Mar. 2 2012 19:17:28
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Hey all! Now the time has come f... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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If you go to Spain, put a little more than half of your money in the bank. You wont need 2000,-€ a month. I spend less than half and Spanish min. salary is around 470,-€ a month after taxes.
Rental.... depends on where and how. Your own flat in Seville around 5 - 700,-€ or you can rent a room in a shared flat for around 200 - 230,-€.
If you go to lets say Jerez, its a bit cheaper.
What to choose... your choice totally. I´ll just say one thing. IMHO you´ll get the most out of your stay here if you have a high level of flamenco. And if you have studied accompanying cante it´ll help a lot. And get a good level of Spanish as well. Learning flamenco in Spain without knowing the language is not something I´ll recommend.
It can easily be you sitting at home in your own flat, playing the guitar the whole day and going out at night getting pissed with the other foreigners. Fun for a while. Boring later on and maybe not the best way to learn flamenco.
Odinz -- My advice is to forget everyone's advice on this thread (including mine, after you have read this) except that offered by Anders, cited above. After reading many of Anders's comments on the Foro, I think he knows the situation in Spain better than anyone, particularly on how to make the most out of a visit limited in time and money, to get the most out of learning flamenco. I would agree with Anders totally that it is imperative that you have at least a basic working knowledge of Spanish. Without that, you will not get the most from your instruction, and (as Anders points out) it will be easy to fall into the trap of going out with the foreign community every night.
Everyone's comments in response to your query have value, but Anders's comment is the most succinct. If reaching a basic, working-level in Spanish language and a basic ability playing flamenco guitar means you must hold off your visit until, say, next year, it would be worth it.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Mar. 3 2012 13:47:23
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gbv1158
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From: Italy
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RE: Hey all! Now the time has come f... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Odinz -- My advice is to forget everyone's advice on this thread (including mine, after you have read this) except that offered by Anders, cited above. After reading many of Anders's comments on the Foro, I think he knows the situation in Spain better than anyone, particularly on how to make the most out of a visit limited in time and money, to get the most out of learning flamenco. I would agree with Anders totally that it is imperative that you have at least a basic working knowledge of Spanish. Without that, you will not get the most from your instruction, and (as Anders points out) it will be easy to fall into the trap of going out with the foreign community every night.
Everyone's comments in response to your query have value, but Anders's comment is the most succinct. If reaching a basic, working-level in Spanish language and a basic ability playing flamenco guitar means you must hold off your visit until, say, next year, it would be worth it.
Jonas, Bill is right! : follow the advice of Anders.
ciao,
giambattista
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Date Mar. 3 2012 14:06:00
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Munin
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From: Hong Kong
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RE: Hey all! Now the time has come f... (in reply to odinz)
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I think based on the experience of my time at Carmen, the following approach would make sense - it worked well for me back then, because I came to Spain with very little knowledge of the language and even less local acquaintances.
Join a school (Carmen in Granada or those in Sevilla - but dunno which of those offer language courses too) for 1-2 months. Take some language and guitar classes. That gives you a solid basis in the use of the language, as well as daily access to flamencos who can point you in the right direction if you are later looking for private classes, networking, etc. And you'll make friends with other people having similar goals as you, which can be motivating (but be sure to not stick among international people all the time as said earlier).
Then after those 1-2 months are up you can choose to go rogue, take private classes, try to get involved with the locals, check out other cities for their flamenco, etc. while you have the comfort of an existing social network and basic language skills.
I think coming to Spain with little knowledge of the language, no local acquaintances and nothing to guide you in the beginning can be a bit daunting, which is why I recommend this approach. Maybe you don't need it if you're super outgoing or already an astounding player, but otherwise, it makes sense to me.
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