RE: finishing inside the guitar

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estebanana

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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The entire world is rife with unfounded speculations. People will threaten to kill you for disagreeing with some of them.

Well thank you for the astute reasoning on the question. I think we can agree not to kill any unarmed guitars.

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krichards

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to estebanana)

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Or is it a purely aesthetic consideration?

YES

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 8:33:03

Ruphus

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I think we can agree not to kill any unarmed guitars.

Only if they keep their string excess at the headstock under chaste headscrafs, naturally.

Richard,

I think to have seen interiours whichs tool streaks and protruding fibers could be well within the size of 1 mm and more.
And it appears only plausible to me that laquer would matter in significantly smoothing and sealing such surfaces.

I thank you though for that hint about wave length and surface structure, as I was fancying any degree of roughness / smoothness to be mattering.

Also for the interesting news about indigene population to possibly preserving their hearing abilities even with age!

Your estimation about todays urban average however seems rather optimistic from what I know, as things have developed drastically over the past decades. If I recall it correctly hearing loss now starting at around 16 years or so and increasingly reaching near deafness. Apart of the fact, that contemporary youth is progressively losing abilities of distinguishing sounds ( and shades of colours ).

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A 43-year career as engineer and physicist taught me very firmly that speculation is nearly useless,

Though aware of how laymen assumptions like mine in this case can be bothering for an individual specialist, I can´t agree with this as generalisation.

It is speculation that brought up questions in the first place / consequently vast of insights gained until today, and it still is a strong trigger in the fields, as can be observed all the time with polemics in the subjects, which remain assumption until the factual verification, which again often follows after a while of hypothesis.

As I see it, the question ought to be whether it is about unbiased or biased speculation.
In view of the latter I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
So much mysthical jumbo mumbo over 2000 years A.D., still.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 9:17:56

Richard Jernigan

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to Ruphus)

My earlier statement:

"A 43-year career as engineer and physicist taught me very firmly that speculation is nearly useless, except to suggest areas for investigation,..."

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 15:58:19

estebanana

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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except to suggest areas for investigation,..."

Also called formulating a hypothesis. Speculation is one of the parts of scientific method, but often confused with anecdotal information. Anecdotal information drives guitar makers crazy or at least this one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 17:45:37

Flamingrae

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RE: finishing inside the guitar (in reply to etta)

Ok, all this talk and no action. Come what may, I have been experimenting.......
Top has been impregnated using a combination of earth, lime and propolis. All the excess has been rubbed off using an light abrasive scotch brite then rubbed smooth. My last guitar seemed to respond well to this and so I'm going with the flow. The Hammerel book of varnishes has plenty to go on. I'm not saying this is the way forward but another way of doing things and if it is part of your thing, go for it. I think this originally came around with people trying to figure out how Stradivari managed to get his sound on violins and I think it can enhance a sound, but it will not transform a bad instrument into a good one by slapping on a few layers of your chosen medium.