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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fret locations, vs. neck length
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Seden My post about scale length and farts wasnt directed at you. It was a general comment. I you feel I insulted you and what you know about the subject, then I´m sorry. I have should have written this when you later mentioned your intentions in a post. I´m sorry. What happened is that when I logged in, there was one of TBs stupid posts right below, changing subject and start picking on me and others on a field where he´s been doing so a hundred times. I´m seriously tired of this guy and I strongly consider leaving the Luthiers section because of this dork. This of course has nothing to do with your post which was interestin and on the line of the thread. I´m sorry. Besides that, I dont think I in general treat you as a complete novice. I know you are not. I´m sorry that your post wasnt treated with more respect. But this is an internet forum and it often happens. Your point about a longer string being lower pitched at the same tension as a shorter string is of course right. An theoretically, on 2 identical guitars with 2 different scale length, lets say 650 and 660, the longer one should be brighter. Again, I agree. BUT I find that its such small things we are talking about, so what you do when you work on the top make a LOT bigger diference. There are so many aspects that work together. I know you know that, so this is not directed at you but a general thought
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Date Nov. 27 2011 11:03:52
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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but I'm always open to newer ways to do things, if they work. written by Mr. Blacshear. This only shows that you have no self critisism and that you know abolutely nothing about yourself. You are the most closeminded builder who´s been on this forum. And not only are you closeminded, you like to pick on other builders when they do something that you dont like or which you dont understand. Not only do you pick on them, but you continue and you manipulate whatever to make the impressions that you are the only one knowing, that you are the jesus christ of guitarbuilding, the only one left to give the world the secret of the old Spanish masters. Its so pathetic. Anders, you have a problem, I was giving what I believe to be constructive thought about a particular technique, not about your person, and I truly believe that you will later be forced to stop using this technique due to the very good possibility that many players, who order from you, will not choose to have a sound port; being that your guitars will be so good that they won't need one :-) Again, I think the sound ports are an absolute abomination but this doesn't reflect on a builder's talent, at least to those who can think on both sides of the fence, which I certainly have considered. It's just that I have made my decision not to use them due to the change in voice that I hear coming from the guitar. If you can't hear it, then I'm going to leave you alone and you can have your own opinion about it from now on. I don't hate you, Anders, but I certainly have my own opinions. I wish you and the other builders on this list, much health and happiness.
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Date Nov. 27 2011 14:57:08
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to estebanana)
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Tom, Anders does not have a problerm YOU Sir, Mr. Blackshear, have a huge problem! You owe Anders an apology for insulting him and his guitars by telling him he has problem. You started a fight with him by insulting him and you can't finish the fight. I think Anders problem exists purely from a point of attitude, and I don't get into "Who builds a better guitar," my friend. I don't owe him a thing but what I believe to be truth, which is, an additional sound port is inferior. I know about sound and I can hear through most of the recording static used on the Internet. Also, I understand controversy sells on any chat list. But this is my last post about it. The bottom line is that I have a hard time reading some of the prose on this list but I let you have the stage when it comes to voicing your own opinion. If I don't agree with it, then I don't get into character assassination just to hear myself talk. If Anders can't handle his own disagreements with more couth, then I would suggest that he practice more polite conversation to the walls in his house, as a prerequisite for being a member of any list like this. Steve, I don't think you are doing Anders any good by patronizing his position here. You are giving him a false read on things that should be discussed about technique and harmony, perhaps on another thread, but I have always listened to peoples critique about my guitars and I still do. So I don't think you should give him a false impression about things, especially his ability to converse in a polite manner, which he needs to work on, imo. I understand that Anders is trying to sell guitars, and I'm 100% behind him. His talent has found his niche in the market place and I'm sure he will be fine. But make no mistake, I'll tell him the truth out of trying to help, not hurt a person's business. Sound ports are just about on their way out, imo.
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Date Nov. 27 2011 22:20:55
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Jim Kirby)
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ORIGINAL: Jim Kirby Wow, you all need to take a pill. There maybe some history here, but I failed to see Tom doing anything more than complaining about a soundport - or just wishing to hear an A/B with or without said port? Anything else going on here that isn't just baggage? Bye the way, thanks for the Reyes plan, Tom. Jim, Anders had an earlier falling out over my critique of sound ports in general; on another thread. He took it personally and I got kidded by some of the players. I didn't take it bad but more like them just having fun and kidding around. I don't get upset with dialog on these chat lists. It doesn't pay very good dividends to keep trading barbs about a particular topic. Steve, on the other hand, likes to argue, so he can argue this point as much as he likes, but I'm through with it. All in all, I like these guys, and I'm aware that Anders has a family member with a health condition. I'm praying for their healing. And you are welcome about the Reyes plan. I believe it has been the best selling plan for the GAL. I might try and do something with a replica of an earlier Conde model that Nino Ricardo used to play. I'll try and start the project sometime this December.
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Date Nov. 28 2011 4:24:02
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Ruphus
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Cut him a slack please, guys. When you get older, you often times become more mild on the one hand, yet may sound rather brisk on the other hand as it feels like having no time for formality and diplomacy while you hand over the core of a matter, or what you think it to be. After Stephen posted his Ferrer for sale, I sent an e-mail to Mr. Blackshear pointing to it, thinking that it might be of interest to him. Yet, it appears not worth to him to just say thank you. Whatever, I don´t mind, have on the other hand experienced him giving time and attention to conversations we had before. And maybe he should be allowed to be sounding like paternalizing. Or maybe he sounds like it, because of perceiving certain minuteness that you possibly don´t. To me for certain it appears as if he is judging extremely distinguished. You know, sort of like the cracks in audio engineering who can meticulously tell already at the setup what the niceties at mix and master will be. Thelike knowledge must be what goes into his guitars, which recordings you could be taking a close ( and unbiased, if needed ) listening to. The guitars he builds are really something, covering pretty all desirable aspects in a masterly way. The high prices for these s are not achieved by marketing hoax. What his expertise is concerned: You don´t expect yourself to not further mature and improve over time, do you. And he apparently has a lot of crafting experience gathered over decades with very dedicated and mused guitar building. You might be generous to grant him some credit as grand senor, even if his comments could be coming accross like assuming. - I besides suspect holes in the sides too. Admittedly however, im my personal case, exactly in the way you assume, Stephen. For stubborn bias. To me it subjectively appears like some gimmick; sort of like painting over a Caravaggio, just for to try out something new. And that without having actually checked it out, that´s right. Seems, one just can´t be linear all the way through, but try to. Ruphus
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Date Nov. 28 2011 14:05:36
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samad
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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On the other hand, with age and experience one may learn the great importance of diplomacy, respect and sensitivity to the points of view of others. If the intention is to debate, it may be useful to remember that they say, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Muy de acuerdo con usted señor. Anyways, I think mr Blacksphere is trying to claim, that his a kind of, acoustic sound guru, or an expert tone master. What really matters to me to a guitar, is it must be well built. With a well seasoned wood, it doesnt matter if it looks good, but its a bonus. The sound and tone really relies to alot of factor, the hands and tecnique of the player might contribute the 50% or 90% of the overall result of the sound and tone. Ofcourse the room will contibute as well, my guitar sounds quite good to me in the bathroom. Im a future client of Anders, his guitars doesnt hurt my ears.
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Date Nov. 29 2011 5:53:23
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Scale Lengths: Bridge vs 12th fr... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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Just a few things. Totally of topic, I´m sorry but I have to get this out. Its all directed to Mr Blackshear: * Please dont pray for my wife. Its scary when YOU do it. To me its like some kind of bad woodoo and it gives me the creep. * In case you havent noticed, I build guitars without soundports. Some 60% of my output is without soundports. The fact that I personally prefer a guitar with a soundport doesnt mean that I cant understand other points of view. I have no problems with that. I tell my clients what I know about guitars and In my opinion the soundport doesnt chanege the sound in front of the guitar. But it sure gives the player a lot more input from the instrument and also some more volume which can be very nice in what I call real flamenco. Something with a lot of people talking, yelling, clapping hands etc. Thets the way flamenco is lived in its motherland, Spain, where I live. And I judge my guitars from realtime experience. You on the other hand are only badmouthing because its something that doesnt work with your way of building. Your "famous" finetuning is useless on a guitar with soundports and since you´re a narrowminded pretentious guy which think you know everything, you pick on others. You continue to do so and its reaching a point where I dont belive a word about you socalled "help" You only want to help builders believing that you are God. The rest you bully. You´re like Stalin. Last on the point of soundports: ¿¿¿¿How many guitars did you build with soundports Mr. Blackshear???????? Was it 0 or was it 1???? How do you dare talking being so arrogant pretending you know everything about a subject where YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?. *You´ve been the main subject for many hard discussions on the forums. When you started here, for half a year it was impossible to discuss anything about guitars because you would ALWAYS turn any discussion into a discussion about you "fantastic" plan of the Reyes guitar. It was totally pathetic and really negative for the forum. Now and for the second or third time, you start bullying soundports on a thread that has nothing and I repeat nothing to do with soundports. You really have a serious problem. *You left some 6 - 8 month ago because you were bullied out by me and others. Wow, was that nice. But unfortunately you showed up again and like always you couldnt control yourself. After a few nice posts, you started your show. Geeee. I´m so tired of you that you cant imagine. You are everything which I dislike. I´ve been here for 8 1/2 years and I might leave very soon and thats ONLY because of you.
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