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Florian
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Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Martial arts flamenco! (in reply to Ricardo)
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Ok you guys are dumb. with all the respect, i appreciate what you did for me in the past but in answer to your last post...that being said...fu*k off mate if u wanna discuss something with me fine well discuss it, in a respectful manner, if its playful joking that's totally fine too...but make it obvious that you are joking...... dont talk to me like your my daddy...ive never taken that kind of liberty with you...dont have to agree with me or pretend too.. but treat me the way i treat you... quote:
but you need to decide for yourself what is definitive "proof" of anything and why do you NEED it? well that's why I was asking questions and WAS trying to do...decide for myself......I dont "NEED" it...it was a conversation here, seeing that Chuck interview raised a natural enough question for the first time for me...i always accepted and assumed Bruce was it...but then i realized that my assumption was based on media, childhood discussions and popular culture etc... for all i know Bruce or his publicist could have written it or create some roomers themselves...he was a movie star first...its what he wanted to do ..probably even had a publicist...who job was to maintain his publicity and public persona and protect and "Bruce" up the name. Did you know Tom Parker payed girls to chase Elvis down the street at the start of his career when he was hardly known ? was good for business "since unlike everyone here giving an opinion...Norris was someone that actually meet him and trained with him for 2 years, before i bluntly disregarded him as a straight out lier , i wanted to eliminate a few other possibilities....i didn't think it was unreasonable to ask what if he knows more than us, what if his body language and reaction as someone who have spent 2 years with him has more of an accurate opinion of a man all of us read about, saw movies, and documentaries ...whos dumber ? the person that asks or the person who wasent there that its absolutely convinced that they know ?"....
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Date Jul. 18 2012 18:46:54
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Sean
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From: Canada
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RE: Martial arts flamenco! (in reply to Ricardo)
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Point fighting is not fighting, Chuck was a champion of non fighting. Full contact fighting is much different, there is something called momentum, if it's on your side it takes you to victory if it isn't you have to change its direction or get swallowed up by it. Chuck was a point fighting champion which is just a game of tag, nothing more. The only people you will find who defend it as legit are the people who never fought full contact. We had this saying at our club, full contact fighting is easy there are only two lessons you need to learn, lesson number one how to take a beating, lesson two how to give one. Not many stick it out to learn lesson number one and nobody ever skips ahead to lesson number two. Having recently watched one of Chuck's championship fights where he gets hit in the nose and he instinctively turns away from his opponent tells me right away he never trained full contact or learned lesson number one. Ask yourself how many times you've seen a boxer get his nose busted and turn away from his opponent? Never because they graduated from lesson number one long ago. There are some of Chucks less famous friends and competitors who went on to pioneer full contact fighting in America, Chuck went on to make movies. In a full contact fight I'd put my money on most of them beating Chuck. Point fighting is about not getting hit which is completely unrealistic and teaches a lack of full on engagement, in full contact a lot of it is about absorbing a lesser shot in exchange for giving something a bigger. In Bruce's day if you went around looking at the average black belt instructor you would sadly find a whole lot of beer bellies. Bruce trained like a prof athlete and brought pure athleticism to it, he had a degree in kinesiology, with a strong thirst for knowledge in finding out what the human body is capable of. Bruce was also a pioneer of mixed martial arts long before anyone coined the term. His training in ground fighting with Wall J(small circle Jujitsu) and Judo Gene LeBell certainly gives him an advantage in a real fight. In defence of Chuck I will say he was painted into a corner in answering the question but even he doesn't sound like he is very convinced by his own answer. In a fight who would win? Well in a real fight there is always the X factor, that unknown variable, call it chance or luck, not always will the better fighter win, only on paper. If I had to choose though I would pick Bruce, not for his fancy movie moves or god like cult following but for what he was up to in real life.
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Date Jul. 18 2012 20:04:39
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