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Sean -> RE: Martial arts flamenco! (Jul. 18 2012 20:04:39)
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Point fighting is not fighting, Chuck was a champion of non fighting. Full contact fighting is much different, there is something called momentum, if it's on your side it takes you to victory if it isn't you have to change its direction or get swallowed up by it. Chuck was a point fighting champion which is just a game of tag, nothing more. The only people you will find who defend it as legit are the people who never fought full contact.
We had this saying at our club, full contact fighting is easy there are only two lessons you need to learn, lesson number one how to take a beating, lesson two how to give one. Not many stick it out to learn lesson number one and nobody ever skips ahead to lesson number two. Having recently watched one of Chuck's championship fights where he gets hit in the nose and he instinctively turns away from his opponent tells me right away he never trained full contact or learned lesson number one. Ask yourself how many times you've seen a boxer get his nose busted and turn away from his opponent? Never because they graduated from lesson number one long ago. There are some of Chucks less famous friends and competitors who went on to pioneer full contact fighting in America, Chuck went on to make movies. In a full contact fight I'd put my money on most of them beating Chuck. Point fighting is about not getting hit which is completely unrealistic and teaches a lack of full on engagement, in full contact a lot of it is about absorbing a lesser shot in exchange for giving something a bigger.
In Bruce's day if you went around looking at the average black belt instructor you would sadly find a whole lot of beer bellies. Bruce trained like a prof athlete and brought pure athleticism to it, he had a degree in kinesiology, with a strong thirst for knowledge in finding out what the human body is capable of.
Bruce was also a pioneer of mixed martial arts long before anyone coined the term. His training in ground fighting with Wall J(small circle Jujitsu) and Judo Gene LeBell certainly gives him an advantage in a real fight.
In defence of Chuck I will say he was painted into a corner in answering the question but even he doesn't sound like he is very convinced by his own answer.
In a fight who would win? Well in a real fight there is always the X factor, that unknown variable, call it chance or luck, not always will the better fighter win, only on paper.
If I had to choose though I would pick Bruce, not for his fancy movie moves or god like cult following but for what he was up to in real life.
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