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ORIGINAL: Deniz

Dont know in the US, but in Germany, i would be surprised if more than 50% of the business starters received education in how to set up a business plan. I agree about people not being able to maintain a hosehold, but i would definitely argue that the number is not that much that it would be systematically relevant in capitalism. In fact, most low-income people have to calculate precisely to even be *able* to maintain their household, more so than upper low and middle class people, who have some extra hundreds or thousands every month to spend, after food and rent is paid.

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Can someone please tell this Californian what a "chav" is?

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We've had 50 years of progressive social programs and countries are worse off than before.
ah ok. 50 years wow that's a lot!
I'd add we have 30 years of Reagan/Tatcher's ultraliberal program, deregulation...and look at the result! What a wonderful world.
We can celebrate and glorify the Invisible Hand.

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Pgh, I hear what you're saying. Don't blame the programs though... it's not the programs that are faulty, it's the way they're administrated.

I met some professional who studies workforce systems in an airplane a few years ago. He's explained that the administration of the health care in my province became a pyramidal system. Basically, administrators employed "assistants" who employed "assistants who employed "assistants", etc. Now we're stuck with more administrators than health care providers. I don't recall the numbers but I think it's around 1.6 administrator for one provider. It's totally insane.

And they manage to get yearly bonuses because well... they are the ones deciding. It takes years after a PET scan machine has been bought to install it because of the bureaucratic monster the system generated. And we can't fire them because of the collective agreements they get because the government is ready to accept anything to avoid a political suicide of having strikes in hospitals.

Is public healthcare the culprit? No... it's the idiots administrating it who chose the path of facility and the politicians who can't think further than the next elections.

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Dead on. Using people that "made it" without an education is quite absurd. It implies that education is not an advantage. If this is so why do any of us bother?

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Dont know in the US, but in Germany, i would be surprised if more than 50% of the business starters received education in how to set up a business plan. I agree about people not being able to maintain a hosehold, but i would definitely argue that the number is not that much that it would be systematically relevant in capitalism. In fact, most low-income people have to calculate precisely to even be *able* to maintain their household, more so than upper low and middle class people, who have some extra hundreds or thousands every month to spend, after food and rent is paid.

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Many businesses start with just one or two sales. The person involved sees an opportunity to make money and it grows from there.

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maybe you've come across the gitano (caló) word 'chaval' - a boy or young man.

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Biz dev. through to invoice payments takes months.

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You know, a couple of weeks ago I was sorta thinking that if the Bankers and Politicians and the Privileged Classes don't stop stuffing money into their pockets while asking the rest of us to pull our belts in tighter to get through this recession....I can see almost French Revolution stuff happening throughout the world....yes..including the USA!

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it's not hard to see why those who are locked out of the gravy train might think they were entitled to help themselves to a mobile phone. Some of the rioters make the connection explicitly.

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No doubt credentials--not education or learning--provide access to opportunities in the work place.