RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua

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rombsix

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ron.M)

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Tio Ramzi (MD, Rumbero)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2011 23:06:09

jg7238

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ron.M)

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Tio Grisha
Tio Ricardo
Tio Jason
Tio Todd
Tio jg
Tio Doit
Tio Ramzi (MD, Rumbero)
Tio....?

Hey, Why am I so far down the list?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2011 23:41:37

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ron.M)

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Jeez...it seems how Sabicas was addressed by his close friends is even more important than his playing.

At the time I was very slightly acquainted with him in New York in the early 1960s, Sabicas's poker playing probably brought him more money than royalties from his robust record sales.

So, would you say his skill at cards was more important than his playing?

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2011 23:44:07

El Kiko

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ricardo)

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If you don't mind, it's "Don Ricardo".

OOOOh Don Ricardo , now thats a whole different kettle of fish ...you really gotta earn that one, tio........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 0:53:18

Doitsujin

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to rombsix)

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Hey, Why am I so far down the list? Jk

I wonder why you are above me... I think Ron is just a little bit confused... pffffft.

And he forgot himself.. I think Ron really deserves the "Don"..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 8:41:45

Ron.M

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to jg7238)

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Hey, Why am I so far down the list? Jk

jg...it was not a "considered" list, but just in the quick order the names came into my head.
Anytime I make a list I always forget to include people... eg Tio Flo

Maybe a better idea would be that instead of becoming a "Fellow" after 500 posts or something, you become a "Tio" (or Tia)?

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 9:58:17

Adam

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ron.M)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M

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Hey, Why am I so far down the list? Jk

jg...it was not a "considered" list, but just in the quick order the names came into my head.
Anytime I make a list I always forget to include people... eg Tio Flo

Maybe a better idea would be that instead of becoming a "Fellow" after 500 posts or something, you become a "Tio" (or Tia)?

cheers,

Ron

No no no, if you hit 500 posts you should get a gypsy name from the foro house gitano. I'm sick of Pimientito having all the fun!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 10:05:32

Ron.M

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Doitsujin)

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I think Ron really deserves the "Don"..

No way, tio...that would be "Da-Doo-Don-Ron-Ron-Da-Doo-Don-Ron..."

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 10:59:10

rombsix

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ron.M)

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Maybe a better idea would be that instead of becoming a "Fellow" after 500 posts or something, you become a "Tio" (or Tia)?

Great idea! I always wondered why it's only "fellow" after 500 posts. We should have more of these titles:

500 - 999: Fellow
1000 - 1499: Tio
1500 - 1999: Gitano
.
.
.
20, 000 and above: PdL

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 11:03:20

mezzo

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to rombsix)

don't forget the Dr./Pr. status. It's a lot of work

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 13:52:00

jg7238

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to rombsix)

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500 - 999: Fellow
1000 - 1499: Tio
1500 - 1999: Gitano
.
.
.
20, 000 and above: PdL

I like that idea Ramzi. Ron, I was just kidding. I couldn't think of anything better to type.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 13:53:19

Ricardo

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to ToddK)

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whoosh, right over my head. Looks like normal alzpua to me.

Hey todd, except for the very first stroke, there are no down strums like normal alzapua, just a rest stroke and hammer, and the chord sound is only done with an up stroke of the thumb.

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Great idea! I always wondered why it's only "fellow" after 500 posts. We should have more of these titles:

500 - 999: Fellow
1000 - 1499: Tio
1500 - 1999: Gitano
.
.
.
20, 000 and above: PdL

4687 posts and above get you "Don" title.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 17 2011 13:37:28

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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At the time I was very slightly acquainted with him in New York in the early 1960s, Sabicas's poker playing probably brought him more money than royalties from his robust record sales.

Do you know for a fact that he got royalities? My impression was rather that, like many Gypsies, he used to ask for a flat fee up front — almost certainly to his own detriment, of course.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 17 2011 23:23:07

Ricardo

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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a flat fee up front — almost certainly to his own detriment, of course.

depends on the fee. Some times royalties through a big company can be crap. Remember paco figured out all his royalties over decades after camaron died cuz the family went after him for money, and he realized it was relatively **** compared to what he got paid to play.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 17 2011 23:58:34

at_leo_87

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Ricardo)

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500 - 999: Fellow
1000 - 1499: Tio
1500 - 1999: Gitano
20, 000 and above: PdL
4687 posts and above get you "Don" title.

LOL! this is a great idea. i think it should be implemented if possible.

cool video, btw. normal alzapua is complicated enough.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 18 2011 0:39:56

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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Do you know for a fact that he got royalities? My impression was rather that, like many Gypsies, he used to ask for a flat fee up front — almost certainly to his own detriment, of course.

No, I don't know that he got royalties. That was just an assumption.

As for money, I saw him several times showing up at various places in New York in a limo, wearing a nice suit and with a beautiful young blonde on his arm--not the same one every time.

When I heard about poker, I asked a friend who played in medium-size games, a few thousand bucks per pot. Fairly serious money for New York in 1962.

"Little Spanish guy, big diamond ring, wears shades and a wig? Yeah, he plays in the big ones--and he wins."

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 18 2011 17:07:41

rombsix

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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and a wig

I always thought he had great hair - TOO great!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 18 2011 17:19:57

Ron.M

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to rombsix)

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I always thought he had great hair - TOO great!

Put me in mind of this "hair" thread....

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=131667

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 18 2011 19:54:54

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Sabicas "reverse" alzapua (in reply to rombsix)

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I always thought he had great hair - TOO great!

Yesterday I was looking for the alzapua intro to bulerias and came across some pretty old videos. He had less hair in 1937 and 1939 than he did in the 1970s! But his playing in the 1970s was even more impressive than 40 years before.

By the way, a bulerias with the alzapua intro is on Youtube, but the camera is on the left hand all the way through the alzapua...

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 18 2011 21:00:21