RE: That darn picado

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mark indigo

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

page 13 here, at bottom of first column he gets to his conclusion about use of tip joints

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mark indigo

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

page 14 here, at bottom of first column he explains, why he thinks you shouldn't resist/tense tip joints

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mark indigo

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

page 15

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mark indigo

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

page 16, on second column "The Middle Finger" says middle finger more powerful in flexion than index

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mark indigo

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

page 17

I know all this is geared towards classical guitar, but the way i see it the hand physiology is the same, and even if tone and rhythm goals are slightly different the technique of using fingers is same or at least similar.

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Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

The only problem is that classical guitar techniques fell way behind flamenco techniques nowadays. Most of the techniques are not transferable from classics to flamenco because they aim on a very different tone/effect.. IMO nowadays the classics can benefit from studying flamenco techniques and not the other way around.

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ToddK

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to Doitsujin)

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The only problem is that classical guitar techniques fell way behind flamenco techniques nowadays. Most of the techniques are not transferable from classics to flamenco because they aim on a very different tone/effect.. IMO nowadays the classics can benefit from studying flamenco techniques and not the other way around.

Doit, Newsflash for ya, classical and flamenco players both use their hands.

The subject is the physiology of the hand, not musical styles.

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XXX

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

very nice information Mark thanks for uploading! I got really interested in hand physiology since my injury.

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Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to ToddK)

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The subject is the physiology of the hand, not musical styles.

Exactly, and the holdings are almost completely different in flamenco and classics. Only in a few cases they are similar... But mostly only from players with a classical background like Riqueni and Canizares. Already the distance of the right hand from the soundhole is different. Its not compareable. Classical guitar also has no alzapua, the thumbwork as it is used in flamenco, no rasguados, golpes..even the tremolo is different.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:26:35

orsonw

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to Doitsujin)

Thanks for the posts Mark. Good to see anatomy applied to guitar playing in such an easy to understand manner.

@Doit I only play flamenco and I am qualified in treating hand injuries (amongst other things), the pages Mark has posted are completely relevant to flamenco.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:30:14

Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

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@Doit I only play flamenco and I am qualified in treating hand injuries (amongst other things), the pages Mark has posted are completely relevant to flamenco.

I dont disagree. I didnt read all the files. I just gave a general opinion to the first one. Im just interested in discussing that point, too. Maybe I get convinced. Would be ok for me. Interesting anyway!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:35:29

orsonw

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to Doitsujin)

The principles explained are relevant to anything you do with your hands, only the application of those principles will vary with the functional demand.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:37:41

Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to orsonw)

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The principles explained are relevant to anything you do with your hands, only the application of those principles will vary with the functional demand.

Damn. that means I have to read through all the files.. I dont like reading long texts.. :./
But I´l do now. C u tomorrow..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:41:15

XXX

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

haha Doit in trouble again

this forum's funniest constant

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Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

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haha Doit in trouble again

Trouble? Wrong. Just discussing.

My comment didnt aim on the subject.. Both points seem to be right. Mine and the one in these pages..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 21:47:58

Doitsujin

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to mark indigo)

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My last teacher Jesus Torres does everything ami

I met him 2 times. He played many long scales with only ia... No 3 finger picados. You are sure? He sat 2,5 meters in front of me. So Im 100% sure about that. At least on stage he didnt use ami picado... Where did you meet him? Workshop? To my knowledge he doesnt teach anymore. He used to teach a little in the school of Isabel Bayon in Sevilla. Hes a nice guy.. I asked him once to sign his CD for me..and he drew a cartoon, and wrote some lines. ^^Nice guy, and great guitarist!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2010 22:50:26

aloysius

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RE: That darn picado (in reply to Doitsujin)

He still teaches privately from his place where he lives with isabel. I did some privates with him just last December - really nice guy. He certainly claims to use ami all the time, but was hesitant to recommend it, partly because it gives a slightly less even tone than using adjacent fingers (i being closer to the sound hole and a being closer to the bridge). But he said that has become what he's used to and it influences his compositions.

PM me if your heading to Seville and want his details.

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