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mark indigo -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:19:24)

page 13 here, at bottom of first column he gets to his conclusion about use of tip joints



mark indigo -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:21:30)

page 14 here, at bottom of first column he explains, why he thinks you shouldn't resist/tense tip joints



mark indigo -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:22:31)

page 15



mark indigo -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:24:03)

page 16, on second column "The Middle Finger" says middle finger more powerful in flexion than index



mark indigo -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:26:04)

page 17

I know all this is geared towards classical guitar, but the way i see it the hand physiology is the same, and even if tone and rhythm goals are slightly different the technique of using fingers is same or at least similar.



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:40:23)

The only problem is that classical guitar techniques fell way behind flamenco techniques nowadays. Most of the techniques are not transferable from classics to flamenco because they aim on a very different tone/effect.. IMO nowadays the classics can benefit from studying flamenco techniques and not the other way around.



ToddK -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 20:48:12)

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The only problem is that classical guitar techniques fell way behind flamenco techniques nowadays. Most of the techniques are not transferable from classics to flamenco because they aim on a very different tone/effect.. IMO nowadays the classics can benefit from studying flamenco techniques and not the other way around.


Doit, Newsflash for ya, classical and flamenco players both use their hands.

The subject is the physiology of the hand, not musical styles.



XXX -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:23:51)

very nice information Mark thanks for uploading! I got really interested in hand physiology since my injury.



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:26:35)

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The subject is the physiology of the hand, not musical styles.


Exactly, and the holdings are almost completely different in flamenco and classics. Only in a few cases they are similar... But mostly only from players with a classical background like Riqueni and Canizares. Already the distance of the right hand from the soundhole is different. Its not compareable. Classical guitar also has no alzapua, the thumbwork as it is used in flamenco, no rasguados, golpes..even the tremolo is different.



orsonw -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:30:14)

Thanks for the posts Mark. Good to see anatomy applied to guitar playing in such an easy to understand manner.

@Doit I only play flamenco and I am qualified in treating hand injuries (amongst other things), the pages Mark has posted are completely relevant to flamenco.



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:35:29)

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@Doit I only play flamenco and I am qualified in treating hand injuries (amongst other things), the pages Mark has posted are completely relevant to flamenco.


I dont disagree. I didnt read all the files. I just gave a general opinion to the first one. Im just interested in discussing that point, too. Maybe I get convinced. Would be ok for me. Interesting anyway!



orsonw -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:37:41)

The principles explained are relevant to anything you do with your hands, only the application of those principles will vary with the functional demand.



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:41:15)

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The principles explained are relevant to anything you do with your hands, only the application of those principles will vary with the functional demand.


Damn. that means I have to read through all the files.. I dont like reading long texts.. :./
But I´l do now. C u tomorrow..[&:]



XXX -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:41:43)

haha Doit in trouble again [:D][;)]
this forum's funniest constant



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 21:47:58)

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haha Doit in trouble again


Trouble? Wrong. Just discussing.

My comment didnt aim on the subject.. Both points seem to be right. Mine and the one in these pages.. [:)]



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 2 2010 22:50:26)

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My last teacher Jesus Torres does everything ami


I met him 2 times. He played many long scales with only ia... No 3 finger picados. You are sure? He sat 2,5 meters in front of me. So Im 100% sure about that. At least on stage he didnt use ami picado... Where did you meet him? Workshop? To my knowledge he doesnt teach anymore. He used to teach a little in the school of Isabel Bayon in Sevilla. Hes a nice guy.. I asked him once to sign his CD for me..and he drew a cartoon, and wrote some lines. ^^Nice guy, and great guitarist!



aloysius -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 7 2010 3:38:50)

He still teaches privately from his place where he lives with isabel. I did some privates with him just last December - really nice guy. He certainly claims to use ami all the time, but was hesitant to recommend it, partly because it gives a slightly less even tone than using adjacent fingers (i being closer to the sound hole and a being closer to the bridge). But he said that has become what he's used to and it influences his compositions.

PM me if your heading to Seville and want his details.



Doitsujin -> RE: That darn picado (Dec. 7 2010 18:17:27)

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PM me if your heading to Seville and want his details.


Thank you very much! [:)] Maybe next year. I´ll contact you for sure!
Yes, I also thought his guitars are damn great.



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