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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77)
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and Florian...... you remember when I sent you weird video of me explaining Taranto letra accompaniment........ ignore that use Corey's instead.
cmon mate that's not fair.. i appreciated those immensely, i told you that, il do whatever you want from me in thanks but dont ask me to join causes i dont belive in..you might have you reasons and i give you the benefit of doubt for that and will not judge you...but i dont know the guy...if you need me to mindlessly agree with you when i dont know the guy and hasn't done me any harm..fine i will do that , if that will prove my gratitude
i like you, i love the way you play, i am thankful for so many things you do...but i am not into unsolicited public humiliation of strangers who have done nothing to me...however good or bad they are...u have your reasons fair enough but i dont have any
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian)
This reminds me of a finnish childrens song... "on maailmassa monta ihmeellistä asiaa, se hämmästyttää, kummastuttaa pientä kulkijaa" I dont even know why, but it just does. rock'n roll your ass off guys!
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to estebanana)
My friends Kenny Parker "Keni el Lebrijano" -guitarist -festero- and Nina Menendez, singer festera, both hold doctorates. I had to get to know them very well for a long time before they told me they held doctorates. It would have been much quicker for me to get to know that about them if they had promoted themselves as Dr. Keni el Lebrijano and Dr. Cantaora Menendez, but somehow through their personalities and performances I was sold on their flamenco, I never needed to know they were doctors of anything.
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian)
I'm wondering what all this is really about. I know that in tough economic times resources are scarce and the few pickings there are shouldn't go to charlatans. (I'm not saying that about Corey - never heard him play so wouldn't judge.)
If that is what's going on, that happens everywhere, not just in flamenco, or even just in music. I bet quite a few people in their ordinary everyday work could name someone in the office who is a bit of a waste of space, doesn't pull their weight. And I also know of more than one person who after only a few guitar lessons has set themselves up as a guitar teacher. And it is really annoying when you think of all the hours of dedicated practice that genuinely skilled teachers have put in.
So perhaps what's happening here is that Jason is speaking out for what he believes, and anyone who knows him on facebook knows that Jason is politically aware and stands up for his principles. I'm just wondering if this is the right way for Jason to challenge what he sees as being wrong here.
To Jason: you are an astonishing player who has shared much of your knowledge with aficionados on the Foro here for free. I am definitely in your debt for the encouragement you have given me, and the contribution you made to the accompaniment challenge. You are passionate and principled, both things I admire. But perhaps the way you have set about challenging Corey will not help your reputation. Is there another way?
To Corey: I have not heard you play but if you love flamenco you are welcome on this Foro. I envy the amount of time you are able to spend in Spain, which I love dearly.
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Ailsa)
Yeah I feel like I should chip in a little as well.
As Ailsa has put it, Jason, you're a phenomal guitarist, and the little I have read in your posts (about this and previously) qualifies you as a straight-shooter that's a level above ToddK's (no offence Todd ).
But I do believe that you could be a little mellow and tactful here otherwise you could risk turning into those whom you despise the most. And we definitely don't want that!
And Corey. In my opinion I don't believe that your playing is at a level where you could really teach flamenco in the way you do without disrespecting the artform. This is not a personal attack Corey, just an honest opinion of a musician to another. I have had a look at slices of Javier's - your other half - videos and the fact that he only seem to teach individual techniques didn't seem like that he was teaching something he had no mastery over. Unfortunately your videos seem to deliver flamenco in the way that is not meant to be and it did make me cringe. I just don't think it does the beginners justice.
I think other methods of teaching will still allow you to teach flamenco but at the level where you'restill respecting the artform, your maestros, the flamencos around the world who are working hard to promote the art (like Jason who can be "a little" over-passionate), and most importantly yourself. I hope you can find this.
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Guest)
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Just remembered why I quit visiting the foro.
Boycottin' anything that is not in the video/tab/audio sections.
Don't be so hard. I'm relatively new on this forum (a few months, although I created my account about a year ago) and there are all kinds of discussions and all kind of people here. I think it reflects the world well. Sometimes the discussions sound like bar discussions, that's not too bad by itself, but of course, the difference here is that everything is written down and public, so it stays and it's heard (read) by a lot more people than the few friends at the table.
Although this discussion was very much like a bar discussion, Doctor Whitehead cannot expect people not to react, the gap between his bark and is bite is quite wide. There are many free teaching videos on Youtube that did not get that much or any attention; the packaging on this one is a bit excessive and almost begs for reaction. As anything else I write, this is only my humble opinion.
I don't know you, but I value the responses you have given in the past and it will be sad to loose them. There are many sides to people; when people at work start to talk about stuff I don't agree or like, I just leave or don't get involve, or ignore some of the comments. Maybe there is a lot of borderline stuff here but there is a lot of good stuff too.
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian)
I was planing to rent a video this evening because I have nothing to do. But... please go on with that thread. Its funny. And I don´t need a video to entertain me.
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian)
To me the ultimate test of a flamenco guitarist is whether or not they can accompany any cante thrown at them. And do it with mastery, with understanding of the details. Being a guitarist is one thing and being an expert guitarist takes lots of dedication an hard work. However in my opinion and the opinions of most aficionados who love cante, the heart of flamenco, it's not enough to be an excellent guitarist to be a flamenco guitarist. It's not enough to know thirty solos by Sabicas or Paco de Lucia or Vicente Amigo and be able to play them flawlessly. To an aficionado of cante that is guitaristic showmanship, it's a part of flamenco, but to mistake that for the essential part for guitarists, the cante accompaniment, is delusional.
There are masterful accompanists who are not wizards of modern technique and they may or may not have an education. The cante is the true university and the true tester of knowledge. Everything else is really, well, just ****.
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian)
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An then there is always ... Flamenco Guitarist "Robert Earl Longley"
I never heard of him before. Exelent player, solid rhytm, great sound. Thanks gj for introducing him. Obviously not flamenco, but nevertheless hes no joke.
RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Doitsujin)
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I was planing to rent a video this evening because I have nothing to do. But... please go on with that thread. Its funny. And I don´t need a video to entertain me.
Yeah, but it's getting totally boring now and a bit like the Jerry Springer show for daytime TV viewers IMO.
Personally, I'm not interested in the politics of the US Flamenco guitar scene and I doubt if other non-Americans are too.
Could Jason and Corey continue this by email perhaps?
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