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RE: Need advice about pickups (in reply to JieXian)
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not a fan of pickups for any type of music involving a nylon string guitar through the years i've had guitars fitted with b-bands and fishman, also with blending and the appropriate pre amps etc always unhappy with the tone and response so i now use a sennhieser K6 which has solved all those sound problems i have a cheaper guitar fitted with a mini flex microphone system http://miniflexmic.com/shop/ they can be either internal or external recommend these as an alternative to a conventional microphone but i still default back to the condensor.. all the above is great advice.. good luck
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Date Oct. 8 2010 1:43:00
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RE: Need advice about pickups (in reply to mrMagenta)
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yes i had an nt3 before the sennhieser the k6 has a much higher output and wider field it was a bit of a no brainer in terms of upgrading, though the rode works well the sennhieser was just a much better sounding mic with greater control the output difference was quite outstanding also greater frequency response i'm using the cardiod cap the akg c1000 i had used prior usually put in front of the guitar by a soundtech sounded good but never A-B against the sennhieser really happy with this microphone..totally for live work or in the studio...sure there are others out there but this suited my needs perfectly..
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Date Oct. 8 2010 23:53:12
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DPA 4099 excellent the other guitarist i work with just bought the dpa guess thats a hard choice still prefer the mic on a stand...the movement between the 12th fret and soundhole allows me to use the mic for a variety of tones...i can vary this by slight body/guitar movement,,,, few issues with the dpa falling off but is one great sounding mic... good luck i thought of the dpa but happy with the k6 just not a fan of things attached to the guitar plus k6 has a much higher output..bit easier for me to control any feedback should it arise.... recently returned from a music festival the sound techs loved both...
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Date Oct. 9 2010 9:08:56
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RE: Need advice about pickups (in reply to JieXian)
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thanks for the links.. nice sounds... going back to your original question about the pick ups etc guess if your into these techniques on a nylon string there is nothing out there in your price range the video has a taylor guitar which is equipped with a piezo, and a internal mic and 2 transducers attached to the soundboard...or some variation upon this... plus the pre amp, compression and phase inversion.. thats a $1000 worth of pick up and preamp... my suggestion would be a b-band system which matches the taylor system to a large degree... http://www.b-band.com/index.php?page=guitar-systems
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Date Oct. 10 2010 5:09:27
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I bought the K6 with ME64 capsule. excellent let us know your thoughts... for me it was a relief to find a mic i can use live without having any real issues enjoy
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Date Oct. 11 2010 0:53:02
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hi the soundboard mic/transducer plus piezo will provide a 'big' sound..so the best of both worlds... but me personally find it not a great tone for flamenco and other styles great if your into loud ensemble playing or high energy type of thing as a luthier once suggested to me dont worry about a great guitar if your using piezo type system because that's not what your going to hear... so i have a cheaper guitar with two internal microphones out of phase with each other...in simple terms this acts as a feedback eliminater...to a certain degree... this is more appealing than a piezo...for me anyway...but i hardly use this guitar..only for loud rhumba/salsa bands... but i generally use a high quality condensor through a mackie 2 channel desk into a aer then into a front of house system...no pickup...no onboard anything i dont have feedback issues are you pointing the mic in front of the soundhole?...this is a certainly going to produce feedback and no definition in terms of the fishman it sounds like a good recommendation if that is the sound your after good system...like the B-band but your guitar will sound like a fishman or a b-band...less of the guitar more of the electronics/product...this is'nt bad, just different..like the gabriella and rodrigo sound...generic but still big... microphones present more of the guitar...IMO saying all this there are'nt alot of choices fishman/b band/miniflex/lrbaggs as internal mic/pickup combo's...much and much the same... Aloysius's point was that a cheaper lapel type mic is a preferred sound than a piezo...i tend to agree in terms of tone..for flamenco anyway... if you have a piezo already you have two clear choices internal microphone/transducer to blend with piezo..but you WILL need a preamp that will handle the two signals...ie blending/phasing and balance... or my choice would be a condenser microphone pointed at the 12th fret [give or take a few] or at the bridge... two separate channels into an aer or pa...and blend away..piezo and mic... that way you have a great mic if you upgrade the guitar
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Date Oct. 11 2010 7:07:08
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So does this mean that internal mics don't produce good sound even though they are still mics? maybe not the sound you want generally no because we hear guitars from the outside not the inside..the air moves differently or they create a feedback chamber generally there to warm the piezo up... the out of phase aspect with mini flex mics [ie 2 mics] corrects this to a large degree but there will be feedback...so set the level to that point....where it still sounds good...dont go any further...!!! external mics are the best option...IMO the other thing of course is if your dealing with 60watts as opposed to 300watts of amplification the headroom difference plays a huge part... Quiet is the NEW loud........Good luck!
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Date Oct. 11 2010 7:57:43
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