HELP: Compas Por Fandangos.

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gj Michelob

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HELP: Compas Por Fandangos.

If anyone cares to contribute some advice, I am trying to work on and study Fandangos.

I understand that the basic Compas is in 6 or better in 12 counted as:

1 2 [A- on]3. 4. 5. 6. 7. [F on]8. [E (single note) on]9. [E chord on]10. [and E or variations on] 11. 12./ 1. 2. [A- on]3.

Any other particular rule or tradition one must observe (if not accompanying Cante -where I understand a variation onto C is required].

Thank you.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 18:21:18

Ron.M

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

I think you're over-complicating it there gj.

Fandangos (de Huelva) is really just 4 groups of

foot, 2, 3

So it's

foot, 2, 3, foot 2, 3, foot, 2, 3, foot, 2, 3 (repeat)

Then it doesn't matter what chord you are playing.

PS: In case you are wondering, the difference between waltz timing and FdeH is that in Waltz timing, the 3 beat has a soft, decaying sound...but in FdeH the 3 beat is strong/accented.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 18:30:31

gj Michelob

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

I think you're over-complicating it there gj.

Fandangos (de Huelva) is really just 4 groups of

foot, 2, 3

Boy am I glad I asked....
Thank you, Ron.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 20:26:46

CuerdasDulces

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 21:53:47

gj Michelob

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to CuerdasDulces)

Thank you CuerdasDulces. I really appreciate your advice by pinpointing Juan Martin's lesson. I am always hesitant to follow his advice (prejudice caused by this snobbish foro i suppose) but in fact I enjoyed it and can confirm that he counts the compas exactly the way I have it in my initial post.

However, I was puzzled by the way our own and awesome jg.gomez counts it -or more accurately, by the way I count his tempo and rhythm- in this

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 23:00:27

Ricardo

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

quote:

1 2 [A- on]3. 4. 5. 6. 7. [F on]8. [E (single note) on]9. [E chord on]10. [and E or variations on] 11. 12./ 1. 2. [A- on]3.

Any other particular rule or tradition one must observe (if not accompanying Cante -where I understand a variation onto C is required].

Based on this it is important to observe golpe's to keep the feel. They are on 1,4,7,10. You missed the G chord on 7, but the rest you seem to get it. Falsetas tend to start on 11 or 1 depending on the phrasing, but there is no hard rule.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 23:27:02

CuerdasDulces

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

There are many different ways of playing Fandangos. For example, Fandangos de Alosno is played a different way. In this vid you can see the difference. The first singer starts with Fandangos de Huelva and the second singer(Paco Toronjo) sings the Alosno way. You can see the difference when the guitar is played for FdH and FdA. If I am wrong someone correct me please

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 23:48:30

CuerdasDulces

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

Here's another vid you might find interesting/helpful.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2010 23:56:55

gj Michelob

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

You missed the G chord on 7

From the videos I have watched thus far it seemed "optional", is it not?

I am not sure I understad the part about golpes being needed on 1,4,7,10. You do not mean "tapping the guitar" at all such times?

thank you Ricardo.

Cuerdas, great video about huelva y natural. Thank you. I like how much slower the latter was performed.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 1:59:03

jg7238

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to gj Michelob)

gj; i think the alzapua remate i did on that one is off compas, so that's why it's confusing you.

quote:

However, I was puzzled by the way our own and awesome jg.gomez counts it -or more accurately, by the way I count his tempo and rhythm- in this

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 5:45:07

gj Michelob

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to jg7238)

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gj; i think the alzapua remate i did on that one is off compas, so that's why it's confusing you.

Thank you, jg. Cool and useful stuff nevertheless, as usual.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 14:27:25

Ricardo

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to CuerdasDulces)

quote:

If I am wrong someone correct me please

It is not that you are wrong. Alosno is just one of the dozens of typical fandangos from Huelva. So they are not "different" but in Huelva you have tons of other specific named fandangos. Toronjo has his own characteristic style, a "personal" style regardless which specific fandango he interprets. To not make it seem complex guitar wise, the playing CAN be the same for all. The more important differences in that performance are that the guitarist changed, and the key changed as well, and those two factors more then anything changed the "aire" a lot.

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I am not sure I understad the part about golpes being needed on 1,4,7,10. You do not mean "tapping the guitar" at all such times?

More then simply tapping you really have to feel those points in time super heavy. That is the beat. Regardless of what else you are doing you have to feel the weight of those points. The G chord could help your understanding of this better as it falls right on a heavy beat. Omitting that chord means simply feeling that space super heavy, which is harder to do I think for people just starting to learn the feel. Likewise one can play off ALL those accented beats and all around all synchopated with the changes, but you still must FEEL those points, and doing golpes helps.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 15:08:40

gj Michelob

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RE: HELP: Compas Por Fandangos. (in reply to Ricardo)

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gj: I am not sure I understad the part about golpes being needed on 1,4,7,10. You do not mean "tapping the guitar" at all such times?

Ricardo: More then simply tapping you really have to feel those points in time super heavy. That is the beat. Regardless of what else you are doing you have to feel the weight of those points. The G chord could help your understanding of this better as it falls right on a heavy beat. Omitting that chord means simply feeling that space super heavy, which is harder to do I think for people just starting to learn the feel. Likewise one can play off ALL those accented beats and all around all synchopated with the changes, but you still must FEEL those points, and doing golpes helps.

's clear as a whistle, Ricardo.

Incidentally, how are the skype-lessons working out? I experience such diffculty in simple conference call with it that I wonder how it works with music lessons.

I think I am finally ready to "submit" to lessons and lectures on Flamenco. Enough (of my) "fooling around" with it!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 16:49:35