News from the workshop, Number 75, A Brazilian babe

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Anders Eliasson

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News from the workshop, Number 75, A...

Hi

This is my guitar number 75 (of 77)
At the moment she´s mine and she gives me a lot of pleasure.
Its made with my last piece of real Braz rosewood (Dalbergia Nigra) I bought 4 pieces of braz rosewood some 5 years ago. I have sold the guitars with the 3 other pieces. I wont be buying more at the moment. To much cheating in the Braz rosewood business.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

front, German spruce (from Germany)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 0:27:40

Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

3 pieced back. The set wasnt big enough and besides, I like a center piece that continues the lines of the neck all the way through the back

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 0:31:22

Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

a discreet black inlayed soundport.
The guitars sounds very flamenco. Its very bright and punchy. It still has old strings on. I prefer to test new guitars with old strings. This way I can hear the guitar and not just the strings.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 0:35:32

Phrygian

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

quote:

Hi

This is my guitar number 75 (of 77)
At the moment she´s mine and she gives me a lot of pleasure.
Its made with my last piece of real Braz rosewood (Dalbergia Nigra) I bought 4 pieces of braz rosewood some 5 years ago. I have sold the guitars with the 3 other pieces. I wont be buying more at the moment. To much cheating in the Braz rosewood business.

What a beautiful guitar you made there, the top is probably one of the nicest i have seen not that i have seen many but anyways.

I think it's really honorably of regarding the wood issue wish more people would reason this way.

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Exitao

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

That's very nice. If she sounds as pretty as she looks, she must be perfect.

I like the soundport. This one looks nicer than the other one's of the same design. I'm not sure if it's the workmanship or the colour. I particularly like the dark circular edging.

edit: rereading your posts, I think it must be the "black inlay." Can you explain this process a little bit, please? I'm very interested.

Think you could make one [soundport] in the design of a Norse World Tree?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 2:16:09

Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Hey thanks both of you.

Exitao, i dont know what you want me to explain with the black inlay. Its just a black soundport rosette which is inlayed, just like the brown one I posted before.

When you talk about the Norse world tree, do you mean Yggdrasil? Also show me a design and I will tell you if its possible.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 2:30:20

mezzo

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

mmm...looks so sweet.
I can't wait to hear is voice on a video

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 2:35:12

kozz

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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This is my guitar number 75 (of 77)

Do you always build them by 3 Anders?
I remember a picture from a few months a go with 3 guitars with soundport.

Aestatically its not the one I like most of you, but would love to hear this one!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 2:39:11

hudster

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

It looks beautiful. I enjoy all your posts and look forward to many more. I have just begun building my own flamenco guitar, this site has been a tremendous source of inspiration for me, thank you all the luthiers who have patiently answered all the questions posted by beginners such as myself. On a side note, I very much enjoy listening to you play, as a relative newbie to flamenco, who's playing has inspired you ? Who do you listen to? I'm somewhat in the dark when it comes to flamenco artists.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Mezzo, I will upload a video one day. Right now I´m working my house, meaning stiff fingers and no nails.

Kozz, I normally build 2 or 3 guitars a time. Aestetically, maybe you´d prefer a bigger port?

Hudster. Good luck with your build. In my playing dunno, I like Pepe Habichuela amongst others. I´m more into cante than solo guitar when it comes to listening and playing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 3:27:44

kozz

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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Kozz, I normally build 2 or 3 guitars a time. Aestetically, maybe you´d prefer a bigger port?

Thats good to hear that, so more "News from the workshop" to wait for?

Nah, the size is ok, but don't like the soundport inlay as completely black. Although, as I understand, it was to make the soundport less "prominent". But thats just me, I think some dark reddisch wood would have been nice, but not that outstanding also.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 4:13:36

mrMagenta

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Stunning! Comes together so well.
I too would have liked to see the soundport in a brighter wood against those lovely sides, but just out of curiosity. This looks very nice! Back figuring and layout looks excellent. I want it. :-P

northern cousin says hello:

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I actually like the back. Nice work. Mr. A.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 13:07:31

Exitao

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

Hey thanks both of you.

Exitao, i dont know what you want me to explain with the black inlay. Its just a black soundport rosette which is inlayed, just like the brown one I posted before.

When you talk about the Norse world tree, do you mean Yggdrasil? Also show me a design and I will tell you if its possible.

I don't really understand the technique of inlay, especially wood on wood (is it just bonding wood to wood?. But don't worry, that's what libraries are for!

And yes, I did mean Yggdrasil!
I've looked around and this is the only one I can find that stands a chance of being possible. However, it doesn't have the twisty trunk I like and I think it's so delicate it would take more time than anyone should ask a luthier to spend.

It would probably be more expedient to just get something laser cut like a lute soundhole cover. Then I could go grab a Dewalt and a hole-saw bit and go crazy like some of our adventurous forum friends... LOL

Anyway, I linked to pics instead of post them here because this thread should be about your wonderful Braziallian lady.

Is it (Brazilian-)waxed instead of lacquered or French polished?

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I actually like the back. Nice work. Mr. A.

I think it goes well with the fingerboard and the buttons... maybe being darker than the dark side looks elegant?

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Mr Magenta,
Good to see your guitar is sound and safe up there in the north. But why this mirror?
I like the soundport rosette the way it is. You dont really notice it. It doesnt stand out, but its there and much more elegant than a plain hole.

Estebanana: I like the back a lot myself. It has a very nice chocolate character.

Exitao:You´ll have to ask someone else to make that Yggdrasil sound port. But it sure is pretty. I saved the photo for other use
The Lute soundhole covers, I´m not going to work either, it would just be like ordering a normal rosette instead of making it yourself. My rosettes and soundports are made by me and not by someone else.
Remember that when you inlay a soundport rosette, you do it on a curved surface. Thats one of the most difficult parts in making one.

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Exitao

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

Exitao:You´ll have to ask someone else to make that Yggdrasil sound port. But it sure is pretty. I saved the photo for other use
The Lute soundhole covers, I´m not going to work either, it would just be like ordering a normal rosette instead of making it yourself. My rosettes and soundports are made by me and not by someone else.
Remember that when you inlay a soundport rosette, you do it on a curved surface. Thats one of the most difficult parts in making one.

That's why you are the maestro. You know things.

To do Yggdrasil right, it would require good reinforcement too, I imagine... I'll just add it to that folder of thing I want to be able to do some day.

Do let me know if you find a use for it yourself, I'd be interested to see what you create.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2010 2:51:57

orsonw

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Exitao)

Beautiful.

Personally I like the look of guitars with a three piece back and yours looks very good.

I have a blanca with a three piece back, people often say they like it and think it's something special- even though it's a sign of a lesser guitar in terms of expense of materials!
I imagine it's just cosmetic rather than having a negative effect on the sound? I guess maybe its slighty heavier with extra glue and wood to bond the joins?

I think the black soundport works very well too.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Thanks Orson

To me, a 3 piece back is something you do in order to make a nice piece of wood work the bst as possible. This piece was wide enough to be a 2 piece back, but I prefered to cut away some of the outer wood which I found wasnt stable enough. This way, you get a higher quality back.

Its easyer and faster to make a 2 piece back

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I love a three piece back. If used well it can show a guitar makers understanding of the wood.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2010 20:38:05

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Yeah, I think it's a detail that doesn't need to be overstated to be effective. In real life you get a better feel for the rosette.. it's difficult to feel the scale of the work from a picture.

(This image with the mirror I took to show someone these two objects, so the mirror has no relevance here :-) I just had the picture at hand on the computer)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2010 1:17:40

orsonw

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to orsonw)

Thanks for putting me straight- so a three piece back doen't mean less quality but it is a luthier's choice for the best outcome.

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aleksi

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

the guitar looks interresting, it would be nice to try it.
I still like abit more Magentas "northern cousin"

, it would be nice to try that too.
oh sh*t, Im drooling

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2010 5:49:28

cathulu

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I always like your aesthetic and the handmade craftmanship, the rosette and the soundport, your guitars are lovely and sound wonderful ...although I disagree sometimes with the science behind the guitar with you, moon woods and all, c'est la vie!

There is room for all of us.

I do wonder about the tightness of the grain. I have heard a too tight grain wood does not respond as well as a bit more room between the grain. Basically the wood is too stiff therefore some luthiers prefer a looser grain. The clean tight grain is an aesthetic that looks good and is lusted after by guitarists, but it comes at a cost in terms of sound from what I have heard. Admittedly the difference probably is not too discernable, as I have argued in the past, I must be internally consistent. :^)

I am curious what your thoughts are on the matter of wood grain and your experience?

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Cathulu
With respect of grain etc. I think it has a lot less importance than most people try to convince everyone else to think.
Talking about soundboards, the main issue is stiffness/weight ratio and we, the builders and players would often be better of being blind when we choose our woods. I really try not to look to much on a soundboard, but put my prescence in flexing and touching the wood.
Moon wood is known to be lighter, but its difficult to prove. Fact is that the moonwood that I have is light. This guitar is not made with moon wood, but with a very nice piece of German spruce (from germany) besides having a very good stiffness/weight ratio, its also extremely pretty.
Sometimes when grain is very close, the wood gets a "plastic" feeling. Like there´s no resistance in it. My own experience is that 2 - 3mm grain with a good strong contrast in the grain is very good.

Aleksi
The sweet orange cousin (with the mirror) is only a ferry ride away from you!!!! Orange blancas are very nice and atractive. They have this show of effect. I try to make an orange colour which is still woody and not so plastic toy like as you see many other guitars. This Negra is meant to be more Elegant. Less show off, a discrete beauty.

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Exitao

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RE: News from the workshop, Number 7... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Sorry to detract from the guitar to focus on mechanical details, but what kind of tuners are those and is that your usual choice?

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