RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee

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NormanKliman

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Ailsa)

En Cartagena minerales
en Cádiz está el mar
y Sevilla muele el trigo
como se canta por soleá

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Ailsa

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

Oh Norman, you mean it wasn't original!! I'm so disappointed

Kidding!!

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NormanKliman

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Ailsa)

Actually, it came to me just now as I was eating my lunch. Want to hear about it?

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Ailsa

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

A Norman-story-special? I sure do!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 11 2010 6:22:27

NormanKliman

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Ailsa)

Well, it was nothing really, just my version of pea salad over pasta: peas, black olives, red peppers, mushrooms, an endive, an avocado, smoked cheese and turkey. Would be better with a little scallion, olive oil and basil.

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Ailsa

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

lol

now I know what inspires you. Sounds pretty nice. I only had toasted cheese!!

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman

Well, it was nothing really, just my version of pea salad over pasta: peas, black olives, red peppers, mushrooms, an endive, an avocado, smoked cheese and turkey. Would be better with a little scallion, olive oil and basil.

No problems. For me the sweet caña thing in solea is like pouring syrup on a juicy salty steak. Not always to taste. But so long as we are not blaming chef PDL and all generations following for such a recipe, cuz it was not his to begin with.

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NormanKliman

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Ricardo)

I've got no beef (heh) with the man, or anyone. It's all great music. But if you want to pursue that train of thought (damn these visuals!

), whose "fault" is it when guitarists play brutishly because they're trying to evoke some kind of old-school spirit?

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Arash

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

sorry, couldn't resist

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mrMagenta

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

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Ron.M

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Arash)

I dunno Arash,

Ruben is quite a charismatic guy and a nice player, but somewhere there is this destructive force throwing it all away.

He could and should have been somebody else with his talent and enthusiasm, I'm sure.

That saddens me.

But I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it...it's his bag...his choice.

cheers,

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Phrygian

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to Arash)

First time i see somebody play Flamenco on a mariachi guitar. Ay ay ay que sonido mas plàstico!

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gato

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

You guys are so friendly, me I am well.....nice thread if you've got the time....oh well, don't mind me! I have no idea where this thread went, but I can see where this last page is going. Doctoral knowledge, ah yes! Phd, Phd, Phd, 'kind of slips the mind.

I would like to see more flamencos get those kind of degrees, it's kind of nice to see it.....I wonder who's next or will it happen again? Now who would it be? Any ideas? Who's your candidate? Maybe it's too late in the thread.....or perhaps it's something we could all mull over in our own thoughts.....dancers, guitarists, poets, singers, there's a lot of people. It's about time! You know maybe someone said it already. I don't know, it just occured to me without anything what so ever. It's a great thought though. Just the same! So -- I agree with you all, whatever. For all I know there are degrees out there....hmmmm. That's a nice thought! Maybe I should read the dang thread and find out!

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yohan

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

lol this foto is so funny

paco for president

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to yohan)

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paco for president

yeah!

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Arash

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to yohan)

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lol this foto is so funny
paco for president

hehe, Ole Maestro.
He looks like Che Guevara in this pic

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 2:22:52

XXX

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to mezzo)

Wow thats a big event. Were there other honorate doctorates received there or was this only for Paco? Jeez look at how excited he is

he can rip picados still like in past but gets excited when speaking in front of people, i dont understand this guy!

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Arash

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

i think he is only excited because he has to speak english

thats not what he always does (like picado), so a little bit of excitement

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Arash

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Ron.M

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to yohan)

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lol this foto is so funny

Yikes! Yohan...

At first I thought it was Col. Gaddafi

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mark indigo

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to NormanKliman)

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Here's some criticism, based on my preferences: His soleás are a little too round, bright and clean (metaphorically, of course). I've never liked that caña/polo ending of his, and his picados usually derail the mood, especially the ones that go with the caña/polo idea. Same story with some of his highly syncopated falsetas.

Hi Norman, I read your views with interest, and just wondering if you can give a or some examples of soleás that you do like, any particular guitarist/s?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 12 2010 16:44:35

NormanKliman

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to mark indigo)

Hi Mark,

Everybody's got a falseta or a detail or something. I've heard good playing from Paco, Manolo Franco, the Habichuelas, Manuel de Paula, Antonio Carrión, Enrique de Melchor... But one of the very few who always played well and remained true to the spirit of soleá from start to finish was Melchor de Marchena. Obviously, that's just my opinion/preference. The ones I mentioned and plenty of others do a fine job.

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RE: Paco awarded degree at Berklee (in reply to XXX)

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Jeez look at how excited he is he can rip picados still like in past but gets excited when speaking in front of people, i dont understand this guy!

Just one of the many facets of his personality that I find most likeable !

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