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RE: Making a living out of Music
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: Making a living out of Music (in reply to Rain)
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ORIGINAL: Rain He is making music that many people love , it may not be very complicated but who says music needs to be complicated to be good. I for one liked the the piece "The most Evolved" But than again I like people who are creative and can compose much more than trained monkey's who can play a Paco or Sabicas piece. I myself am a trained monkey who can play classical guitar, my interest in improv has lead me to the flamenco guitar. To think for one moment Entre dos Aguas is different from what John Clarke is doing is absurd, the only thing is John clarke or Ottmar Liebert, and Jesse Cooke keep rewriting Entres Dos Aguas. Trained monkey's don't work as flamenco players. Pretty much it is a requirement to work in flamenco to know both traditional music AND be creative to some degree. The players that do only solo flamenco guitar compositions of masters, or primarily that's their gig, are few and far between. I can name only 3 off hand, Paco Peña, Grisha, Javier Conde. Masters of preserving the "standards" of the repertoire and perform them in concert, are important for the genre. But your average joe flamenco professional works as an accompanist. Majority of "solistas" or players that can and do give solo concerts, are composers too. The cream of the crop of flamenco accompanists have enough material to perform a solo concert of some sort, regardless if they do or not. I did not say music that is not complex is not good, nor commercially viable. I was only pointing out the distinction for what it means to WORK in the genre of flamenco vs general music, because I felt reading through this thread the original poster is actually "off topic" with his reasoning that one such as "john clarke" can make it as a pro flamenco guitarist. People giving advice to go to dance class or work with dancers, is irrelavant in this case. That music (spanishy nuevo), and that direction is possible to make some money, but its not like working as a flamenco, and off topic. Please don't make me bring up "fakemenco".... In addition, it is clear that he (Clarke) as a guitarist is more toward an amature and low level musician. To say that Entre dos Aguas, or any rumba from a bonafide flamenco player or rumbero for that matter, is the SAME as Ottmar, Cooke or Clarke...is totally wrong. Those guys CAN NOT EVEN STRUM RUMBA for god's sake. That is not even the basic groove of such a song. They can't strum like that infact, based on my observation. They can't do such a job as a "rhythm guitarist por rumba". They simply don't know it. No one that can actually play Entre dos Aguas or even Gypsy Kings songs proplerly, will say what those guys are doing is "rumba". It may seem like a technique detail, but however you want to see it, that is not the same music feeling or sound or anything. Perhaps they WANT it to be perceived as that, but then why not learn it the right way? I think it is better to say they are doing their own thing, and leave it at that, off topic spanishy guitar. quote:
I never mentioned that I play Flamenco, I play a few flavoured flamenco fusion stuff and I love the art of flamenco but thats not what I do. And I dont want to compare my style to flamenco or the style of other people I play. Ricardo it is as if you say im in the wrong place to discuss this ? Well if I am then i would just like to thank the people that understood and gave some good feedback on the topic. Understood. No problems, just thought it should be made clear where you were headed, vs how some folks offering advice might be thinking about it. (myself included earlier on....). It is important because there are some who view playing that style of music MORE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE then actual flamenco music, and it follows, one would think, it easier to make a "career" out of it. But understand from the point of view of the actual folks who dedicate their time and life to flamenco music, this can be seen as a "sell out" rather then a legit artistic pursuit. Frustrating concept for those that never even wanted to play flamenco in the first place, but just simply like to play the "spanishy" guitar. To be safe, and not snobby, I am thinking this is off topic from "general flamenco". I want to be clear, I was earlier and in past topics, refering to, and felt frustrated by those that feel pursuing actual flamenco is a bad idea and recommend against it to new comers to the genre. quote:
Ricardo sweetheart no wonder you're struggling career wise, you need to learn about web 2.0 and emerging music business models. Go read Techdirt Sweekcakes, when did I say my career was struggling???? People I play for and get money from never cared for how many youtube hits I got, that is for sure.
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