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Hey Jon! (Juan Martin's Rumba)
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Hey Jon! (Juan Martin's Rumba) (in reply to Graeme)
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ORIGINAL: Graeme Jon, much enjoyed your "accompanying" tale. Just wondering, you say Mercedes corrected your (Juan Martin's?) rumba accenting. Would you care to expand on this for me? Cheers, Graeme I'll try.. I played her a couple of rumba variations that Juan plays with the slap on the guitar on beat one and she said it was not right, she wanted the accent on beat three. That how she described it, although I think she meant she wanted the accent 'on strum three' in terms of what I was actually playing. Accenting beat three (in musical terms) doesn't make sense to me here because my understanding of the rumba rhythm against a brisk 4/4 count is: one ...twoand...four In other words count out one, two, three, four and tap the table on beat one, between beats two and three, and then on beat four. The off beat in the middle gives rumba that swing. Now it could be that I have got something badly wrong, in which case I'm sure one of the other guys will rescue me here , but I suspect this confusion is because dancers rarely play the guitar and can't always communicate in musical terms what they want. I'm hoping to get her to play me some solo rumba accompaniment from one of her CDs to show me what she wants. This seems to be the best approach at the moment. I'll post some more about this soon. She's asking me to play falsetas now, which is inteteresting, as I assumed she's be more interested in just having good compas to dance to. Jon
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Date Oct. 27 2004 10:50:45
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Hey Jon! (Juan Martin's Rumba) (in reply to Graeme)
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Jon, first off, I'll commiserate that dancers do not understand the guitar...the rhythm is all they understand and that only parts of. Second, I understand the rumba as being in cut time, thus one strum pattern happens with two taps of the foot. Rarely do I play rumba in normal 4/4. One way to prove this to yourself is to try to dance to Gipsy Kings tunes. It's too slow...that's because we're feeling 2 beats, not a full 4 per 130 bpm or so. A good rumba strum is light on the golpes, imo. Do a hard strum on the 1, a good upstroke on the "clave" or "e"... A lot of people play the right pattern but they hit hard golpes on the 1 and 2 (in cut time, or the 1 and 3 in 4/4). This gives a very driving beat, which imo is not appropriate. Rumba is lilting and tropical, not punk rock.
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Date Oct. 27 2004 19:15:11
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