Help needed with Siguiriyas

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mrMagenta

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Help needed with Siguiriyas

stumbled across this clip. thought i could use a simple variation to hook on to the typical trad. siguiriyas falseta he plays in the video. I set out to transcribe his variation to get to grips with it, as he's playing quite freely, but now I'm seriously confused!

I can't find a way to fit these notes in any compas pattern, either single or pair. Is he off or is it me? he's teaching this, so I just assumed that what he plays would fit in whole compases..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 13:46:20

Doitsujin

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Hes not extremely save but correct. This tab is in the same quality as his playing. A bit amateurlike but ok (sorry..now I see you wrote it...the tab is pretty nice) .

Here he counts in the first few seconds the compas.... He suprised me..I thought I already know any odd way of counting sig. He takes the cake....for the absolute strangest wy to count it..lol

http://www.youtube.com/user/terfle1106

I count 7 (8) 9 (10) 11 (12) 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6)
If you cout from the backside to the front like this...
(6) 5 4 (3) 2 1 (12) 11 (10) 8 (8) 7 its the rythm of bulerias...see following for claring up.
(12) 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) 7 (8) 9 (10) 11

You see.. as I told in past as Rafael Cortes´s grandfather or uncle said... Siguiryas is a gay bulerias... A bulerias that starts from behind. haha.. Hes right. (see above)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:07:54

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

uh. might be confusing to look at my notes:
measure 4 and 5 is where I've began to fill it in.
the bottom measure (red) contains the notes that need to be fitted somehow into measures 4 5 6 or 4 5 6 + ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:12:03

Estevan

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

After the first three triplets - where you have two more triplets and then 32nd notes - they are all sixteenths.

Something like this (rough/rush job):

- oops, that's not supposed to be a B-natural in the third bar, it's flat.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:15:28

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Explanation:

I think at 1:23 or so he does a mistake. After the pull off from e on the D string, the open D string should sound twice, not once. This way he resolves before 3 instead of on the beat. It can be done but thats not the typical phrase as i know it and it leads to rhythmic confusion.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:18:52

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Hehe, his groaning is quite loud.

I didn't pay attention to his counting method. I usually think of the 12 beat pattern as five beats: short short long long short : ta ka, ta ka, ta ke ti, ta ke ti, ta ka
that's why i divide the measures in siguiriyas this way. took it from norman

:-) this is just a draft for making sense of his playing, so don't stare at the beaming and accidentals etc.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:27:36

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Deniz. I thought so too. I've learned that part with a p upstroke across the bottom three strings at the place where you want another open D. I kind of like the confused feeling sometimes though.. but the confusion here is what follows after the repetition of those compases

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:38:17

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Estevan! Thanks a lot. Now - the question is. Is it alright to leave out the last beat of the compas this way? the compas repeats at measure 6, but that means it skipped one

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:51:41

Estevan

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

I think he screwed up! (maybe that's why he made that humming sound - it was a repressed "Oh sh*t - but maybe they won't notice") .
That is more or less the rhythm that he plays, but it's not right.
Don't copy him, make your own - one that's in compas.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 14:58:42

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Yeah! That's probably it. but then he goes on to explain the falseta in the other video but doesn't correct it there either

I'll make my own :-) phew.. my brain got quite screwed there

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 15:03:13

NormanKliman

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to Estevan)

Yeah, in the video there should be one more short beat at that point.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 15:04:59

mrMagenta

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Thanks again guys! That was quick.

I'll do my own variation of the same kind of idea, but in compas, hopefully :-). I'm collecting some short and simple falsetas. once on stage that's all I can manage anyway

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2010 16:02:25

Chiste de Gales

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RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (in reply to mrMagenta)

I think the way I count siguiriyas is considered old fashioned, but Ill throw in my 2¢.

I count-

||: 1 and 2 and 3 and a 4 and a 5 and :||

It doesn't look good on paper but when playing, I think this method is pretty easy.
Each number, "and", or "a" falls on a constant steady beat.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 21 2010 13:26:18