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mrMagenta -> Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 13:46:20)

stumbled across this clip. thought i could use a simple variation to hook on to the typical trad. siguiriyas falseta he plays in the video. I set out to transcribe his variation to get to grips with it, as he's playing quite freely, but now I'm seriously confused! [8|][8|]



I can't find a way to fit these notes in any compas pattern, either single or pair. Is he off or is it me? he's teaching this, so I just assumed that what he plays would fit in whole compases..



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Doitsujin -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:07:54)

Hes not extremely save but correct. This tab is in the same quality as his playing. A bit amateurlike but ok (sorry..now I see you wrote it...the tab is pretty nice) .

Here he counts in the first few seconds the compas.... He suprised me..I thought I already know any odd way of counting sig. He takes the cake....for the absolute strangest wy to count it..lol

http://www.youtube.com/user/terfle1106


I count 7 (8) 9 (10) 11 (12) 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6)
If you cout from the backside to the front like this...
(6) 5 4 (3) 2 1 (12) 11 (10) 8 (8) 7 its the rythm of bulerias...see following for claring up.
(12) 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) 7 (8) 9 (10) 11

You see.. as I told in past as Rafael Cortes´s grandfather or uncle said... Siguiryas is a gay bulerias... A bulerias that starts from behind. haha.. Hes right. (see above)



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:12:03)

uh. might be confusing to look at my notes:
measure 4 and 5 is where I've began to fill it in.
the bottom measure (red) contains the notes that need to be fitted somehow into measures 4 5 6 or 4 5 6 + ?



Estevan -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:15:28)

After the first three triplets - where you have two more triplets and then 32nd notes - they are all sixteenths.

Something like this (rough/rush job):



- oops, that's not supposed to be a B-natural in the third bar, it's flat.

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XXX -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:18:52)

Explanation:

I think at 1:23 or so he does a mistake. After the pull off from e on the D string, the open D string should sound twice, not once. This way he resolves before 3 instead of on the beat. It can be done but thats not the typical phrase as i know it and it leads to rhythmic confusion.



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:27:36)

Hehe, his groaning is quite loud.

I didn't pay attention to his counting method. I usually think of the 12 beat pattern as five beats: short short long long short : ta ka, ta ka, ta ke ti, ta ke ti, ta ka
that's why i divide the measures in siguiriyas this way. took it from norman

:-) this is just a draft for making sense of his playing, so don't stare at the beaming and accidentals etc. [:o][:o]



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:38:17)

Deniz. I thought so too. I've learned that part with a p upstroke across the bottom three strings at the place where you want another open D. I kind of like the confused feeling sometimes though.. but the confusion here is what follows after the repetition of those compases



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:51:41)

Estevan! Thanks a lot. Now - the question is. Is it alright to leave out the last beat of the compas this way? the compas repeats at measure 6, but that means it skipped one



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Estevan -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 14:58:42)

I think he screwed up! (maybe that's why he made that humming sound - it was a repressed "Oh sh*t - but maybe they won't notice") .
That is more or less the rhythm that he plays, but it's not right.
Don't copy him, make your own - one that's in compas. [;)]



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 15:03:13)

Yeah! That's probably it. but then he goes on to explain the falseta in the other video but doesn't correct it there either

I'll make my own :-) phew.. my brain got quite screwed there



NormanKliman -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 15:04:59)

Yeah, in the video there should be one more short beat at that point.



mrMagenta -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 20 2010 16:02:25)

Thanks again guys! That was quick.

I'll do my own variation of the same kind of idea, but in compas, hopefully :-). I'm collecting some short and simple falsetas. once on stage that's all I can manage anyway [:@][:@]



Chiste de Gales -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 21 2010 13:26:18)

I think the way I count siguiriyas is considered old fashioned, but Ill throw in my 2¢.

I count-

||: 1 and 2 and 3 and a 4 and a 5 and :||

It doesn't look good on paper but when playing, I think this method is pretty easy.
Each number, "and", or "a" falls on a constant steady beat.



NormanKliman -> RE: Help needed with Siguiriyas (Jan. 22 2010 0:49:24)

quote:

||: 1 and 2 and 3 and a 4 and a 5 and :||


Same as mrMagenta's syllables:

quote:

ta ka, ta ka, ta ke ti, ta ke ti, ta ka



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