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El_flaco

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Classic Tangos? 
Hi guys,

I just need some suggestions on who & what songs to listen to for some classic tangos.

Thanks ahead of time for your suggestions.
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Adam

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
Hi - there's this classic tangos by Armik. It's called "Tango Flamenco". Beautiful! Let me know if that helps.
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El_flaco

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to Adam) 
thanks!
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
What is classic. Does it mean old school, or does it mean important tangos?

I like Camarón tangos. There´s one on the DVD series Rito y Geografia del cante, where he´s accompanyed by Paco Cepero. Its awesome.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
Me Regale from Paco's album "Luzia" with Duquende on voz -- Awesome!!

Potito sings great tangos.

I know of very few tangos recorded by Camaron except a Tangos Extremenos here and there and a couple with orchestra
"Soy Gitano" is somewhere between tangos and rumba.
Why didn't he record more straight tangos?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2009 5:07:36
 
El_flaco

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

What is classic. Does it mean old school, or does it mean important tangos?


I guess I originally meant old school, but either one will work.

Thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2009 6:01:33
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
There´s a nice old school tango on Tio Borricos CD. Again with Cepero on the guitar. I´m not to sure, but I think that La Perla does one with Morao on their CD.

I agree, Potito is good on tangos and especially bulerias.

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duende

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
i think agujetas has some tangos on a cd somewhere with Parilla de Jerez on guitar

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granjuanillo

 

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to Andy Culpepper) 
He recorded lots of tangos - particularly on his older records - many of them extremen~o, but others as well, including tangos de malaga, tangos de Titi (these are both Am/A-major tangos), and some slow, Morente-inspired tangos that were popular in the 70s. His tangos del Sultan on Leyenda del Tiempo is a classic - here is a is a youtube video of him with Tomatito:

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granjuanillo

 

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
I always associate the "classic" tango with the styles sung around Cadiz - you find a similar style in Jerez. These are sometimes slowed down to tientos, but are often done with the driving tango compas. Here are a few examples - Pericon de Cadiz, Chano Lobato and Chato de la Isla:







There is another classic style associated with La Repompa de Malaga - note these are different from the Am tangos de Malaga (which derived from tanguillos de Piyayo).

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2009 10:25:39
 
Ron.M

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
One of my most favourite Tangos is Camaron with Paco de Lucia " Al Padre Santo de Roma".

It's so up-beat, it always puts a smile on my face!

And some of the coolest, but most straightforward falsetas ever!

(short sample) http://mp3cream.com/track/17679/78431/897388/

and again

http://www.amazon.com/Antolog%C3%ADa-Camar%C3%B3n-Isla/dp/B00000DX59

(track 5)

cheers,


Ron
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duende

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
"No Naqueres Mas De Mi" (Tangos del Titi) from "Arte y Majestad" Camarón de la isla


one of my favorites, and also "Ante el altar me juraste" from Camarón and Pacos 2nd album,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2009 20:59:50
 
NormanKliman

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
quote:

One of my most favourite Tangos is Camaron with Paco de Lucia " Al Padre Santo de Roma".


In that short sample, it sounds like toque de granaína (B7-C).

quote:

I always associate the "classic" tango with the styles sung around Cadiz


Hi John, good to see you here! I said to myself, "Hmmm, looks like this Granjuanillo knows a thing or two about cante!" I agree about the base being in Cádiz. There are tangos from all over Spain (Rafael Marín wrote in his 1902 method that Madrid was the tango capital), but the most essential (=classic) cantes and singers seem to come from the province of Cádiz.

quote:

These are sometimes slowed down to tientos, but are often done with the driving tango compas.


Yes, there's a lot of overlapping between the two styles. Tientos aren't always as slow and syncopated as some people think.

quote:

There is another classic style associated with La Repompa de Malaga - note these are different from the Am tangos de Malaga (which derived from tanguillos de Piyayo).


And the tangos de Triana, like Mairena's "El mes de los caracoles."

Camarón recorded a lot of tangos: at least enough for an entire CD reissue. But nobody's mentioned the most classic reference of all: Pastora Pavón "La Niña de los Peines." Although she sang nearly everything, she specialized in tientos and tangos at the beginning of her career (her artistic name comes from a tangos that she used to sing when she was very young). Here's a list of some of her later recordings of tientos and tangos. There are plenty more with Luis Molina and Ramón Montoya:

Tientos:
Preguntó en una ocasión (Currito el de La Jeroma)
Había preguntado en una ocasión, Yo no te he dao motivo (Ricardo)
No te he dao motivos, Salomón con ser tan sabio (Manolo de Badajoz)

Tangos:
Los ojitos negros, Quisiera mejor estar loca (Currito el de La Jeroma)
Al gurugú, Del color de cera, mare, A mi mare abandoné (Melchor)

Mairena's an excellent source, too.

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Ailsa

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
Here's a favourite of mine - it's from a compilation CD called surprisingly enough, Flamenco

El Rinconcillo: Pepe de Lucia, Paco de Lucia, Raul Bailaor, Ramon Algeciras

I can't quite explain why I like it so much - just something about the earthiness, it has a grounded quality. Norman do you know this one?

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
If someone wants to go really old school, there´s a tango "gitano" with Joselero and Diego del Gastor, which is absolutely awesome in its neanderthal way

It can be found on a 4 cd compilation "medio siglo de cante flamenco"

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NormanKliman

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to Ailsa) 
quote:

Norman do you know this one?


Hi Ailsa,

Haven't heard it, but isn't El Rinconcillo a beach in Algeciras that's closely related to Paco's youth?

I just had a quick look at Google and found a website for a bar-restaurant called El Rinconcillo. Look:

http://www.elrinconcillo.es/home.html

It looks wonderful and I'll be sure to go there if I can figure out where it is exactly. If you look really hard, there are a few references to Seville, but...

Ah, wait a minute...
http://www.europapress.es/andalucia/noticia-sucesos-retiradas-rinconcillo-741-toneladas-arena-fuel-agua-vertido-schenzhen-20091103125725.html

According to today's news, 741 tons of contaminated sand were collected at the El Rinconcillo beach in Algeciras after a recent oilspill. That's more like it...

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to NormanKliman) 
quote:

I just had a quick look at Google and found a website for a bar-restaurant called El Rinconcillo.


Hey Norman,
I've been there, it's supposedly the oldest bar in Sevilla. A bit of a touristy atmosphere but nice.
Maybe you can shed some light on the meaning of that sign: "Prohibido terminantemente el cante" ??

We couldn't figure it out.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2009 4:39:50
 
NormanKliman

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to Andy Culpepper) 
Hi Andy,

"Singing is expressly prohibited" (terminantemente=to such a degree that no doubt remains). A long time ago, signs like that were put up in a lot of bars. I don't know the exact story, but you can imagine why someone thought it would be a good idea. I wouldn't take it too seriously, though, insofar as cante being dealt some kind of mortal blow.

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Classic Tangos? (in reply to El_flaco) 
Apart from flamenco tangos – lately I have been playing Argentine tangos, which come off so naturally on guitar they might as well have been written for it. They're fine on a classical guitar and better on a flamenco guitar. And the music lends itself to even throwing in some occasional rasgueado. There are arrangements around for all the warhorses – El Choclo, La Cumparsita, etc. There is a lot of it on YouTube, but most of it is not played the right way or well. If you want to hear a knockout rendition of "La Cumparsita," check out Juanjo Dominguez on YouTube. It's the most highly original version I have ever heard. Turns out he's a classical guitarist from guess where – Argentina. No wonder.
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