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Sarkin

Posts: 30
Joined: Sep. 17 2008

Picado!

Hi!
Till now I thought that Picado is Apoyando and Apoyando is Picado and I couldn't figure out why I have such slow i-m!

And right now, I need some exercises (and maybe some posts) to get me in the right way!

Thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2009 22:50:01

Matic

Posts: 603
Joined: Jul. 3 2006
From: Slovenija

RE: Picado! (in reply to Sarkin)

alternate i-m, m-i, (i-a, a-i, m-a, a-m), also great for the pulgar

-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-3-3-4-4-5-5--------------------------
--0---0---0---0---0---0---0---0---0---0---0---etc-repeat-the-pattern--
-----------------------------------------------------up-to-12th-fret--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----repeat-on-all-strings-and-descending------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------


again, alternate all the finger combinations

-1-3---2-4--2-4---3-5--------------------------------
--2-4-1-3----3-5-2-4-----etc-------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
-and-turn-it-around----------------------------------
--2-4-1-3--------------------------------------------
-1-3---2-4-etc---------------------------------------


chromatic scale (example)

--12-11-10-9------------------------------------------
-------------12-11-10-9-------------------------------
------------------------12-11-10-9--------------------
------------------------------------e-----------------
-------------------------------------t----------------
--------------------------------------c---------------

Do all these exercises very slowly.
Like very slowly.

Watch your RH in the mirror, make it look like PdL's, not Vicente's.

And make up your own exercises.

Remember, 'slow'.

good luck

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2009 2:52:20

at_leo_87

Posts: 3055
Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: Picado! (in reply to Matic)

quote:

Watch your RH in the mirror, make it look like PdL's, not Vicente's.

is Vicente's picado considered bad? i do remember thinking once that it looks a bit weird.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2009 5:27:55

Pimientito

Posts: 2481
Joined: Jul. 30 2007
From: Marbella

RE: Picado! (in reply to at_leo_87)

Vicente has hands from Mars! Not only are his fingers very long but they have loose ligaments so the knuckles and finger joints can bend backwards more than most people. He can also bend his thumb backwards. This in no way means his picado is bad but it means his hand position is a little unusual.

If you are like me you can bend your thumb back about 90 degrees and have no backwards movement in the thumb joint. My Alzapua is therefore played with a straight thumb. Some people can bend the thumb back to the wrist. Its not about stretching or exercise...its just genetics. People are born with ligaments slightly different lengths.

I think what Matic means is copying Vicentes playing or exercises is ok but dont copy his hand position unless your hands are naturally like that. Its best to look at pacos hand and try to copy that instead.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2009 5:46:56

Matic

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Joined: Jul. 3 2006
From: Slovenija

RE: Picado! (in reply to at_leo_87)

It was primarily meant as a joke.

But Pimientito is right. Vicente's picado is great, no question about that, it's just his RH is a bit 'special', as Pim explained.

I think one should take 'copying other's players hands', be it Paco or Vicente or anyone else, with reservation. Our hands ARE different and everyone should find what works best for him.
There are certain points though where there are no differences between players. Picado is played apoyando, it's alternate picking etc. So the safest way for a beginner IMO is to watch players like Paco and actually try to get as closer to what they are doing and maybe later on find a better way of execution that suits you best.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2009 6:17:36

ToddK

Posts: 2961
Joined: Dec. 6 2004

RE: Picado! (in reply to Sarkin)

Vicente gets it done, and then some with his picado, BUT its not technically
good the way he does it.

His pinky finger sticks out, which is a sign of tension. Anular and pinky should
be relaxed or should follow the middle finger while doing picado.

For a great example of a technically correct picado, look at Grisha's picado.

You will see his anular follow his middle finger, and the pinky is moving a little
bit along with anular, but is very relaxed, NOT sticking straight out.

When practicing picado, practice as staccato as possible. The fingers return to
the string immediately after playing each note. The notes should sound extremely short. Dont "hit" the string. Practice a quick plant, and "Control" the string.
I believe in Scott Tenants philosophy = Place, pressure, release.
TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2009 11:55:08