RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Creativity

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srshea

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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I completely understand guys.

I figured you’d understand. Sometimes you just gotta move on to something else when it’s time to get real serious and take things to the next level…..

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andresito

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Phrygian)

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'Charles Sedlak - Flamenco Made Easy
Manufacturer's product description:
International recording artist and veteran teacher Charles Sedlak is a virtuoso guitarist, blending New Age music with traditional flamenco. Here, the resident flamenco teacher at Dublin, California's Music Unlimited introduces the basics of the style, imparting methods of form and technique and putting students on the path to creating their own compositions.'

I'm interested in learning to create my own compositions in the flamenco style

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bursche

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to andresito)

http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Play-Flamenco-Guitar-Trembler-Picking-2459207

Forget about "Oración".

This is Tremolo!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2009 9:33:00

Escribano

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to bursche)

"Trembler Picking"? Like me he played it better slower but no, he goes on to nail dragging.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2009 12:46:15

DonS

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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ORIGINAL: JasonMcGuire
I actually play up in Concord quite a bit.

Uh oh...you might want to think about doing the "gun in the guitar case" thing just in case - like in the movie "Desperado" w/ Antonio Banderas! @ 1:23

this guy is really into himself...I don't like making fun of other musicians either but its too funny not too.. this one is like one of those rock video made in the 80's! the funniest thing is he really put a lot of time into making this video..LOL!

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Ron.M

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Escribano)

"A knee trembler of a performance" (The Guardian)

Ron

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Escribano

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Ron.M)

OK, so has the best tremelo? I nominate Pepe Hab' because he is from Grana'a and he is whimsically melodic

I think I know who you are going to suggest but I already have him down for picado

p.s. I have Moraito on top for alzapua/pulgar/Jerezano thumb in general - (out of synch, but hey, he can do that!)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2009 13:01:24

Munin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

Don: Well, he does seem somewhat more sympathetic in that whole field. He just should keep out of "flamenco" and everyone would beh appy...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2009 13:09:40

MarcChrys

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Escribano)

It seems the Authentic Flamenco Wolf Pack are out again so I'll be contrarian and say I think Charles Sedlak's 'How to Play Flamenco DVD' is pretty good for someone totally new to flamenco - e.g. rock guitarists. Of course, there are more authentic and more advanced instructional courses out there, but when I watched it a few years ago it was helpful to me (as a total novice) in getting the hang of some basic techniques (the equivalent of those pocket Dummy's or Idiot's Guides to English Literature/Internet/Butterfly Collecting etc ?). I moved on to more advanced materials, but sometimes in whatever activity we choose to learn there is a 'guilty little secret' lurking at the beginning of our journey :) I doubt very much he thinks of himself as a 'flamenco' guitarist or virtuoso, he's more of a 'jack of all trades' showcasing some elementary techniques in different genres of guitar-playing (rock, jazz etc). As for his statement that flamenco is creative, what's so shocking about that? I like to think that when I play flamenco guitar I am being creative, exploratory and improvisatory; not simply reiterating traditional fixed patterns.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 3:26:20

XXX

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to MarcChrys)

MarcChrys, i think you missed something there. It hasnt been said that there are "more" authentic instructionals out there. That would mean, that this DVD has ANY authenticity, you know? Well, that is not the case. Correct me, but pretty much everything you learn there, every technique, every piece, is WRONG. It reduces flamenco to some out-of-rythm rasgeywhados, rumba, and kind of pseudo-virtuosic playing. For those who dont know it better, it can be very harmful to learn from this DVD. Its like buying a Mercedes which says it has an airbag, when its just a baloon... the next crash will be a very hard one.

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Munin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

Of course there can be creativity in Flamenco - as in any music. I think the problem was that the specific video seemed to suggest (to newcomers, no less) that you can randomly string some rasgueados and rumba patterns together and then you're all cool and totally "flamenco"; thus supporting the old stereotype of flamenco guitar consisting of playing as loud as possible over a I-II-V progression.

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DonS

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Munin)

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ORIGINAL: Munin

Don: Well, he does seem somewhat more sympathetic in that whole field. He just should keep out of "flamenco" and everyone would beh appy...

I agree..I do feel for the guy being a working musician myself. The general public doesn't know the difference and will call anything being played in harmonic minor flamingo..or flamenco if you're lucky

I like other music just as much as I like flamenco and my first instrument were the drums. Being raised in the US (like many here) we were not exposed to flamenco at an early age.

MarcChrys has a point cause most of us all got started in flamenco after hearing the likes of Strunz and Farah..Liebert.etc..etc. I know the first time I heard "Barcelona Nights" I was like "OLAY I LOVE FLAMINGO!"

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 11:03:36

Doitsujin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

There is another guy who plays as anoying flamingo as Sedlack.. His name is Romero. Here you see him live in Leverkusen:

Its funny,.. I was exactly at this gig which you see in youtube 2007.. It was a double concert. At first he played than Rafael Cortes. And in the breaks Tierra Negra (Rumba 2 men band". I only saw the end of Romeros "noises..." It made me so tired... eeeh...

Maybe he was student of Sedlack?

Its awesome how many gigs he has.... Plays all over the world................. . .. ?,... ???..?? I cant belive that.... . . . .?,... Are the people so dumb??..?... I have to think some more hours about that... .....

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XXX

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

There is another guy who plays as anoying flamingo as Sedlack.. His name is Romero. Here you see him live in Leverkusen:

I really cant agree to that. It was a shame that he always repeated this annoying figure on the bass strings, but apart from that i really LIKED the performance. He did the best thing being a one men band. In my book, there is a world difference between a man that can do 3,4,5 variation of buleria compas, and somebody that plays in the rythm of 3,5²/27

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 13:47:21

Arash

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

Yep,,,, i didnt like the Leverkusen Vid so much but this Romero guy was far better than Mr. Creative Flamenco.
No comparison.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 16:11:30

gj Michelob

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Doitsujin, what are you doing in Dubai? Weren't you in Japan last week?

Your post scared me. I see no sin in this Romero, why are we crucifying him again?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 16:27:23

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

I watched the romero vid too, whilst i cant say i loved it and i would aggree with deniz the bass note falseta was overused...you cant throw him in the same basket as this Sedlack lunatic. I dont think this thread was about attacking another player and everyone pointing a finger and saying 'he sucks'.

I think this thread is highlighting and bringing to peoples attention the obvious dangers of learning from a self professed 'master' whos technique is very bad, and who is also a complete lunatic who spends time making viscious youtube vids.

Doitsujin(i wish i knew your real name), this is an example of you attacking a fellow musician who is just trying to make a living out of it:

Its awesome how many gigs he has.... Plays all over the world................. . .. ?,... ???..?? I cant belive that.... . . . .?,... Are the people so dumb??..?

Until this guy acts like the selack guy then good luck to him. Hes doing more than you are, maybe you should be happy for him instead of being jealous and attcking him?

I would like to see how you perform in front of a large audiance like that on your own playing bulerias...please post a vid once you have done this and then start critisising musicians like him.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 17:19:19

Munin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

I don't get the comparison either. If someone had referred to this guy in one of the other threads I would never have thought that he was supposed to be bad.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2009 17:33:35

Jan Willem

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

What? don't get the comparison? Romero shouldn't be performing!! It's terrible.

But if you compare him to the previous guy, mr romero is the better one, still very bad, but less worse :-)

The vid goes one and it gets worse...bah!

JW

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 0:24:48

Doitsujin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

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Doitsujin(i wish i knew your real name), this is an example of you attacking a fellow musician who is just trying to make a living out of it:

Its awesome how many gigs he has.... Plays all over the world................. . .. ?,... ???..?? I cant belive that.... . . . .?,... Are the people so dumb??..?

Until this guy acts like the selack guy then good luck to him. Hes doing more than you are, maybe you should be happy for him instead of being jealous and attacking him?

Its my opinion about his playing. He uses the term flamenco to make his bucks, could you tell me which palo that was? So he uses the well known name for selling his sounds.Hes a trojan or copycat. Thats lame IMO. Its no attack to say his playing was annoying, I really feel like that. Its annoying noise. If he would call it Romero-music-project, I wouldnt say anything about that, except I dont like it. But he steps in the discussion field of this forum.
I didnt say anything about the quality of his skills. Maybe he could play nice, if he would like to play it.
I´m 0% jealous because I´m not making my money with music. It doesnt interest me at all how much money he makes.
Im just amused that one can do big business with such a crap. And he can do, it doesnt interest me.

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I would like to see how you perform in front of a large audience like that on your own playing bulerias...please post a vid once you have done this and then start criticizing musicians like him.

He performed a bulerias? Yes there was a slight touch of a 3/4 rhythm HERE AND THERE SOMETIMES.. Thats bulerias for sure.. yes agree. .... Its a flamenco-taste-like-broken-juke-machine-sound. Techno maybe. But no flamenco. Flamingo ok..but not flamenco.
If you really think one has no right to criticize other peoples playing when maybe being not as good as the one w ho is being criticized, than you should stop reading newspaper, readind cd-reviews, magazines, watching television and stop reading this forum.
I´m just telling my opinion and it must not fit to anybody's opinion... otherwise the idea of the discussion forum wouldnt work. You can be against my opinion,..thats fine. I accept that.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 3:09:59

Ron.M

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to XXX)

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LOl it seems someone has forgotten to choose a sensible title for the video.

No Doit...Malagueña111 refers to his score for rhythm, technique and aire.

cheers,

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Doitsujin

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

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No Doit...Malagueña111 refers to his score for rhythm, technique and aire.

Ron...you cite a different person there. I didnt write that. By the way,... wasn´t it a nice Malaguena? I would never be good enough to compose and play a brilliant solo like that and present it in front of million people in the internet.

I think Seadlack did a very good work there. And you all should stop attacking this nice person. I would like to see you instead of him playing your malaguena in fron of so many people... Shame you you all!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 3:28:37

Ron.M

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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His name is Romero. Here you see him live in Leverkusen:

He's certainly throwing everything he's got into that one...
A small pedal-drum and a hi-hat could be useful for adding some more percussive effects maybe?

Also I think he should perhaps consider putting some dry ice in the soundhole before playing that one to give a great "guitar on fire" look under those lights!

OK.... Maybe not.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 4:52:28

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Doit, you talk big and loud. There no doubt about that. But talk is cheap, and cheap talk is easy on a forum behind an assumed name...you can be anyone you want here in internet fantasy land.

But hey maybe you have good reason to talk so big. Lets see a video upload from you, then can we maybe understand all the big talk you bandy around the place.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 16:45:04

Jan Willem

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

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But hey maybe you have good reason to talk so big. Lets see a video upload from you, then can we maybe understand all the big talk you bandy around the place.

Very sad argument IMO. What that has to do with it?

Wheter or not I (or dojt or anyone else) can perform a solo piece on stage is TOTALLY irrelevant to the fact we think that what we HEAR is NOT Flamenco. Do you think it's flamenco Dominic? Well do you? :-).

If it's not than the "artist" (humhum) shouldn't sell it as Flamenco is it?

If you DO think it's flamenco..then..well then I rest my case.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2009 23:40:00

bursche

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Doitsujin)

When I heard the first Bulería compáses I thought it sounded slightly towards this crazy Bulerías solo by Jeronimo from 2005 most of you most probably know from Youtube.
But then....
several times he gets out of compás, repeats this bass falseta all the time and anyway there is no real change in this at all.

I must confess that I AM jealous about that he makes money with that.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2009 11:18:41

Ron.M

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to bursche)

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this crazy Bulerías solo by Jeronimo from 2005 most of you most probably know from Youtube.

I LIKE the crazy Bulerías solo by Jeronimo!!

I don't think you can compare the two performances at all!

Different league IMO.

cheers,

Ron

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bursche

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Ron.M)

Just the way he began banging the compás...

There is a point where opinion ends and facts start in common sense.

I prefer Jerónimo, he IS in fact in a different league

He's as far developed technically as he is as a composer and all of this is gorgeous.
Jerónimo is my big hope in contemporary Flamenco.
He can do wonderful things!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2009 14:42:59

kovachian

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)

This reminds me of the burnt-out hippie gigging musician who said that in flamenco you play major keys during the day and minor keys at night.

He had the gall to say on during a radio broadcast, so there's no telling how many minds he poisoned with his garbage. I don't usually like to talk bad about people who mean well, but he was a complete fool. The thread is here somewhere if anyone wants to look it up.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2009 15:22:03

Ron.M

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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to kovachian)

Kov,

Do you mean this guy by any chance?

http://www.myspace.com/httpwwwmyspacecompeterwalkerguitarist

I think he lives in a caravan at Woodstock, still wondering what happened to the party.

PS: Anybody got the Tabs for this?

cheers,

Ron

PPS: Influences include Camaroon, Manolo Salucar and Pepe Habichuala

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