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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Creativity
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gato
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 RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)
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I've got a quote, although I won't mention the source, a friend who didn't tell me where she got it: "All the world is mad, save me and thee, and sometimes I wonder about thee....."
Don't trust all people on the Internet! 
People on the road to 'stardom' can do and say anything they want to bolster their image, and after all, this guy, has nothing but image. Image seekers suck. That's what this story is all about, and to all of the image seekers out there, YOU know who YOU are!!!
With all respect, Gary
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Date Mar. 17 2009 12:54:08
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Ricardo
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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to Ron.M)
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Seriously though Ricardo, it beats me how these guys are making a living doing US and European tours etc.
Really? I mean, when you are appealing to the lower common denominator, you get a bigger audience. The more sophisticated and hardcore,deep, exotic, unique, etc, the smaller the audience...in general. There are rare exceptions, but i don't get why everyone is so surprised. Ottmar....hello???? The list goes on from there....
There are aficionados on this forum and around the world that refuse to go to Paco de Lucia's concert. Just because you and I might find the beauty and artistic merit of some one, doesn't mean they should have a super successful tour of the world. In the end what matters in art is not the dozens of flash in the pan....but the ones that have lasting value, and get revisited and build a fan base slow year after year forever.
Like Charo... 
Ricardo
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Date Mar. 17 2009 13:28:22
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gato
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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)
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I just had the thought: that in the arts or specifically in music, greater commerce rules in the market place, and what is known on the mass level; so the true arts or music in this case don't really have all that we would assume they should in the marketing processes; and maybe not much is known about them on the mass level as the false arts are probably more capable of covering several or more market places on the mass level not being of a pure artform, and thus covering more territory. That is they are of more specific marketplaces.
It's sad but true, that the marketplace is more than likely to be what the majority of people rely on to learn about music these days, and what can sell more gets more attention from the media, and critics who are looking to sell their products and services. And so on.
If you're looking for great music you just have to either come from a proper background, or become greatly informed. Not everyone is going to see that. People are easily fooled by false claims, and advertising. So I don't really care what the guy next door is listening to. What's the difference, the masses are in a state of slumber anyway. They believe what they are told, and usually what they are told is for the sake of the greater marketplaces, not for the sake of true arts, or music.
Just a thought, Gary
EDIT: You know it's actually better to let the masses sleep, because if they ever awoke there would be less money in the coffers of the record companies to make exclusive, real, and expensive flamenco. I think that it works that way....
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Date Mar. 17 2009 15:08:59
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Ricardo
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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to XXX)
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ORIGINAL: Deniz
Id agree with Arash in that everbody started little by little (even the Gitano baby). Ricardo says "just ignore the s**t". Well, easier said than done. What annoys is this crying injustice going on, namely that people get appreciation for something which isnt worth it. It is moreover a slap in the face of a true, studying artist, when the stuff of a hack is preferred over his stuff. The "problem" is that according to a poor taste, you can also enjoy poor music. Its just reality that people dont have time or the desire to develop their tastes. This goes for anything, not only music.
Well this guy does not bother me at all. I admit at this point, I did not even yet hear him play or watch his vid. And not gonna unless by accident someday. I seriously doubt someone like say SEAN, has listened either, and therefore lost no sleep over it either.
Now I also know that there is no point in twisting people's arms on a flamenco forum to admit that paco de lucia dueting with John Mclaughlin is artisticly deep and brilliant. I could write pages and pages why I think so with specific examples....at the end of the day some one will simply say "it is all about speed....too many notes....I prefer music with feeling...".
So why let that "get to me" or "slap me in the face"? Not worth getting upset about. All one can do is present something and if someone "gets it" great! If not, oh well WHO CARES!
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Date Mar. 18 2009 7:17:29
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gato
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RE: How to Play Flamenco Guitar: Cre... (in reply to srshea)
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I agree with these opinions about taste and the right in following what is great music to you. That's what music is for, all of it, and I don't think that anything is garbage if it's put together well. I ment false music to mean synthesized by two or more musical forms, and thus being a hybrid with no cultural history, or roots, except that of the latest marketing and social criticisms.
That being said I think that hybrid music is false in that it is plastic in the sense that it has no cultural and historical bias, though it's not for musicians to decry the latest new hybrid forms of music, and blame it on the ignorance of the masses. People like what they like, so a little self honesty, and lot's of dignity are necessary in a more positive and endearing tone. I think the masses are really swell indeed, they know what they like, but suffice for me to say, I think that marketing plays a vitial role in the music business. I don't hate the masses for wanting to be entertained by something, or just any thing. Money is money, and makes for a healthy world of music. And I do like being able to get what I want.....
Gary
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Date Mar. 18 2009 15:26:05
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