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Paco...El Tempúl?
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Munin
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Joined: Sep. 30 2008
From: Hong Kong
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 RE: Paco...El Tempúl? (in reply to Ricardo)
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Well, it's not like I'm completely insulting Paco or questioning his talent or the like. As this -is- in fact a *discussion* forum, I just find it normal that if you're going to discuss a player, opinions may inevitably vary. Though you probably have a point in that there hasn't really been a "discussion" about Paco here because for most people Paco doesn't need any discussion. 
It's just that while I can appreciate the fireworks I may not just really "get" Paco in a musical sense, as Florian has already suggested. I like his stuff with Camaron, but all of his solo work leaves me strangely cold, somehow lacking any emotion or warmth.
And it's not like I'm a nazi purist, I like mostly the modern players, Chicuelo and Moraito, Vicente to a lesser degree, I guess you could say I mostly adhere to the lowest common denominator in regards to what people like here - well, except for Paco. I once read someone quoting Chicuelo here on the Foro in discussing certain guitarists (?), something along the lines of "They talk a lot, but say very little". Frankly, Paco falls under that category for me.
But then, who knows - when I started out with flamenco I wasn't particularly fond of cante, but now it's just as essential to me as toque, if not more. So I might eventually start to like Paco more as I gain a deeper understanding of flamenco itself.
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Date Feb. 17 2009 23:14:21
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MarcChrys
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From: England (West Yorkshire/Lancashire)
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RE: Paco...El Tempúl? (in reply to ToddK)
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I'm not sure I subscribe to your theory that people generally say they don't like something (that most people like) simply to appear interesting and different :)
Maybe *some* people do....e.g. I'm usually amazed when people say they don't like The Beatles, and, when I question them, they don't seem to have any substantive justification for their dislike... often popularity and success will trigger a rebellious or envious 'dislike'....but ultimately I just accept that The Beatles are not their cup of tea.
I don't think the original poster was saying he didn't 'get' the Paco 'hype' in order to appear different or interesting? He was suggesting perhaps that PdL has a pre-eminent status within the flamenco guitar world, probably unlike that of any other virtuoso within any other discipline - THE best, THE greatest etc - that makes him seem like an Untouchable icon. And, while he ADMIRES PdL's technical prowess and incredible contribution to flamenco, he has his own 'taste' and felt free to say that PdL's actual compositions don't really 'float his boat'.
To use a rock guitarist analogy, I respect the brilliance of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, but I'd much sooner listen to a solo by Brian May of Queen or Richie Blackmore of Deep Purple.
It's a musical sensibility thing NOT a 'Hey aren't I radical, disliking what I'm supposed to like?' Ego thing :)
That said, I intend to listen to more Paco - maybe it'll grow on me (as the old advertising slogan might have said - '10 million flamenco players can't be wrong'!). Though I'm not totally sure I agree with the aphorism someone posted earlier - 'If you don't like the music then you're not listening hard enough'. Usually I like something instantly - love at first hearing :)
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Date Feb. 18 2009 3:50:53
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gj Michelob
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Joined: Nov. 7 2008
From: New York City/San Francisco
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RE: Paco...El Tempúl? (in reply to Florian)
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get some of his stuff, not all of it...enough to make about 3 albums.....but i tottaly respect technical master and the father of modern flamenco guitar...and also what you "get" changes with time..
Your "what you -get-" is the essence, I fully concur with you Florian, and with MarcChrys.
In my humble view, to like something is not an arithmetical consequence of its beauty.
However loosely, one must draw an Aristotelian distinction between Phenomenon (reality of things) and Noumen (our super-sensuos perception of things).
One may legitimately recognize and appreciate a musician’s virtuosity and genius, and yet not relate to it. With Hume, to the ignorant a traffic sign will appear as an art-masterpiece, but will the art scholar have a duty to love all educated art?
I hope not.
Paco de Lucia is a phenomenon both musically and historically. It would be an unforgivable mistake for any student –as we all are here- to dismiss PdL… but to love his music or else? That would not escape Hume’s example, either.
Interestingly, Hume opens such thoughts with [rara temporum felicitas ubi sentire quae veils et quae sentias dicere licet] “how rare a happiness of all ages the freedom to feel what you want and what you feel then say”.
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Date Feb. 18 2009 5:23:56
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