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Ricardo
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 RE: Contrapalmas (in reply to Ron.M)
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You have to hear and feel this in your head, thinking about subdivision. Think of a beat divided into 4 notes. 1,2,3,4. The contras would be numbers 2 and 4. So you need to learn how to hear and play this rhythm:
FOOT2 (3) 4FOOT2 (3) 4
So you have your foot on 1, you clap on 2 and 4, but 3 is totally silent. The sound is:
toma, que toma, que toma, Where your foot is on "to", and you clap "ma" and "que". Perhaps you have heard that jaleos before.
This works in bulerias say, if your foot is on 12,2,4,6,8,10. But what if you want to do contras for the 3 beat accent (12,3,6,9)? Then you subdivide by 6.
FOOT2 (3) 4 (5) 6FOOT2 (3) 4 (5) 6
Here, 3 and 5 are silent and you clap 2,4,6. The sound would be:
toma tah, que toma tah, que toma tah, etc. That one is a little harder IMO.
Either way you need to feel the beat with the foot, and clap "around it" so to speak. When you practice with the metronome, you have the click with the foot obviously. When going slow, the click can be the foot and 3, or foot,3, and 5, so your claps are in between the clicks.
When you can get that going at about 200 bpm, then do the same speed at 100 bpm, where the foot is the only thing on the click (for the 4 subdivision. Not sure of the equivalent bpm for the 6 note division. I think it is 70-80 bpm?). That is the better way, then get faster from there.
The problem is people tend to do the clap on count 2 a little late, and after count 4, come in too early with the foot. That is the whole reason people tend to rush or drag. Once you get the groove going, concentrate on EVENESS of the claps. There are EXACTLY the same speed as the on beat claps (or click).
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Date Apr. 5 2006 17:51:49
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Ricardo
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RE: Contrapalmas (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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I am not refering to the counts in solea compas or whatever, just simple mathematical subdivision. You can also think of it like 16th note subdivision.
1e&ah, 2e&ah, etc. Your foot comes on 1, 2, etc, you clap "e" and "ah", but "&" is silent.
If you have another palmero clap straight eighth notes (1 &, 2 &, etc) the combined sound is straight 16th notes, taka taka taka etc. But the proper way to FEEL the contras is against the foot like I described. At least that is the easiest way to learn how to do it really fast.
Ricardo
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Date Apr. 5 2006 20:39:19
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Ricardo
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RE: Contrapalmas (in reply to c)
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Ok, what I was trying to explain ain't getting through. Florian you tapped your foot to every beat and clapped in between. Conrad and wife are describing the same. Ok, I am saying the foot is ONLY on the accented beats (like 12, 3,6,8,10, or 12,2,4,6,8,10), but you still do all the + claps. The sound you create by yourself is a certain rhythm that is pretty easy to lock into so you can do very fast contras without needing to take a reading from the other palmero. You only need to lock into the accented beats.
12+ + +3+ + +6+ +8+ +10+ + repeat.
Anybody get it now? I am giving up on this until I can record it somehow.
Ricardo
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Date Apr. 6 2006 3:00:09
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I'm trying to see what you mean with this but you lost me completely there. 
, there are many different combinations u can do. I didnt record the combination u were talking about, i recorded the combination i was talking about. 
