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aeolus

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From: Mier

Notation question

Transcribing a part of a falseta by Melchorde Marchena to Guitar Pro the third bar is high lighted in red indicating an error yet it was what was on the original and to it seems to add up. At a metronome marking of quarter note = 74, it seem way to fast when compared to the context. Might another way of notating this part yield a better result?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 15:33:03

Ricardo

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

It looks funny try this:

8th
3 16th note triplets
3 16th note triplets

that is the first beat, second beat should be same idea, 3 groups of 3 16th note triplets. The way the beaming will look will be more correct and the computer probably won't be so confused.

(when I say "beat" I refer to the dotted quarter note as the beat when I encouter 6/8 meter).

THe mistake made is the 6:2 thing is reserved for SAME RHYTHM groupings. IN other words 5:4 means 5 16th notes or whatever IN PLACE of 4 16th notes. The implication of your score was 6 16th notes in place of TWO 16th note, not 2 eighth notes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:22:10

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

Why are you doing this ?

Worst error there is the misspelling of C# as Db (giving you a tonic chord (A) without a third).

There are six and nine semiquavers in the space of four and six respectively. So the brackets should be 6:4 and 9:6. Better still group them in threes as triplets avoiding the need to define tuplets at all.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:23:18

aeolus

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RE: Notation question (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

Worst error there is the misspelling of C# as Db (giving you a tonic chord (A) without a third).

Well of course C# is the same pitch as Db so it really doesn't make any difference as far as I can see in this situation.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:32:57

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

Know purblem.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:33:37

Ricardo

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RE: Notation question (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

Worst error there is the misspelling of C# as Db (giving you a tonic chord (A) without a third).

Probably a glitch with the software. I had the same problem with GP5 doing my transcriptions via tab. You can go back and re enter by hand the proper notes but then the tab is auto generated to a different fret than you intended. A catch 22 where most guitar players will favor the tab over the enharmonic error.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:36:54

Ricardo

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aeolus

quote:

Worst error there is the misspelling of C# as Db (giving you a tonic chord (A) without a third).

Well of course C# is the same pitch as Db so it really doesn't make any difference as far as I can see in this situation.

Enharmonic misspelling are sort of insulting.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:38:52

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to Ricardo)

I think that the algorithm presumes that if there are sharps in the key signature it should use sharps for accidentals and when flats flats.

This is not at all satisfactory for minor keys or modal music.

You don't see a lot of this kind of thing but boy does it make me embarrassed as a guitarist when I do (case in point MelBay reedition of Marcel Dadi tablature, risible lack of knowledge and professionalism).

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 16:41:34

aeolus

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

Sorry about the super size but this is the only way I could capture it.

http://www.paulbowles.org/composer.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 17:25:48

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

I lost interest in the middle of that A., probably because the spelling wasn't random enough to strike me as creative.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 18:19:27

aeolus

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RE: Notation question (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

8th
3 16th note triplets
3 16th note triplets

Yeah, that does it. Thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 18:30:12

aeolus

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RE: Notation question (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

I lost interest in the middle of that A., probably because the spelling wasn't random enough to strike me as creative.

D.

Your loss.

:D

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2014 22:01:46

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aeolus

Your loss.

:D

I'VE missed the point ?

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 7:08:32

Ricardo

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RE: Notation question (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

quote:

ORIGINAL: aeolus

Your loss.

:D

I'VE missed the point ?

D.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 13:03:16

Sr. Martins

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RE: Notation question (in reply to Ricardo)

:D.

Is everyone happy now?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 14:08:24

Ricardo

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RE: Notation question (in reply to Sr. Martins)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

:D.

Is everyone happy now?

no

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 14:53:42

guitarbuddha

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RE: Notation question (in reply to Sr. Martins)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

:D.

Is everyone happy now?

Kinda laughing at myself for bothering to answer in the first place.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 15:08:31

aeolus

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

Laughing at yourself?

any way pursuing the question of enharmonic whatchamacallits further i see I had a choice of keys at the outset as so:

I don't know what concert tone means but I am offered a choice of Fb and Db minor. I didn't notice this key( they are all tiny beyond belief) until after I had run the program and i was surprised to see c# noted as db. I tried changing keys with out success. From what I have read determining keys is not cut and dried but the manner of adding notes to the score is using a pop up fingerboard and clicking on the desired note. It was out of my control whether c# ir db was chosen. I am wondering why the flat note was selected.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 23:20:06

Sr. Martins

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

You can add notes by pressing numbers on the tab or the "enter" key on the staff, no need for that fingerboard thing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2014 23:51:51

El Kiko

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RE: Notation question (in reply to aeolus)

I do not use the programme that you have but i see the little pic you posted on your last message and it looks like , to me , it says Dm ( not Dbm ) and the flat symbol is to indicate that this key signature has 1 flat ..as it is the relative minor of F maj ...i.e. 1 flat .. (which is Bb) since you are in a flat key it is likely that most of you accidentals will be flats rather than sharps ...
Probably if you were in say B min it would show 2 sharps as it is the relative minor of D maj ...and all your accidentals would be sharps ...
as I said I do not really use this programme .. I do have a few programms I use to try to transcribe but spend a lot of time fighting against them when they try to follow built in 'rules' that go against my situation ...
A pencil and paper for me is far quicker ..except for the presentation bit I much prefer it ...

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