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Florian
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what kind of tracks do they have? name some artits please then i will consider getting it. everyone and everything almost...theres a great flamenco selection....biggest flamenco selection than everywhere else I think just listened to Romeros new album there...its a pretty good indication, all the big ones Paco, Vicente, Tomatito, Camaron, Nino De Pura, Chicuelo, Ramon Jimenez, Jesus de Rosario a lot of flamenco.... but not just the big ones and not just guitarists a lot of cante, all the solo compas cds, ritmo flamenco etc..modern and traditional, its a great selection. its a great way to listen to the entire a new chicuelo or Miguel Poveda album at cd quality as soon as it comes out.. as i said for computer its free, so u can check it out if you want...see if they have the guys you like its like a flamenco encyclopedia...you type in any palo and theres a lot of different versions of it by a lot of different artists also aside from flamenco endless supply of every pop song, and the latest stuff etc...and other genres, i had alot of fun playing with it on my girlfriends iphone in the car (first 24 hours are free for your phone, and then if you wanna sign your credit card first month is free)...she was driving and i was finding the cheesiest 80 songs
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Date Jun. 18 2012 19:02:01
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RE: IF you havent allready u need to... (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian just listened to Romeros new album there...its a pretty good indication, all the big ones Paco, Vicente, Tomatito, Camaron, Nino De Pura, Chicuelo, Ramon Jimenez, Jesus de Rosario a lot of flamenco.... but not just the big ones and not just guitarists a lot of cante, all the solo compas cds, ritmo flamenco etc..modern and traditional, its a great selection. I already have those. What new stuff is there? Things you didnt already have (i know you have alot too).
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Date Jun. 18 2012 20:50:44
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Florian
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I already have those. What new stuff is there? Things you didnt already have (i know you have alot too). i don't know buddy :-) i don't know what you have...i for one didn't have juan carlos romero new album...i am sure theres a lot more stuff but i haven't checked quote:
not to complain...but there's a reason Im not into this "free" music listening stuff. Fine if it's samples but when folks can get all your stuff so cheap I don't think its so cool. Ricardo.. i understand man it sucks for some artists ...do you mean your albums are on spotify and you never actually gave permission ? that's weird that cd baby can do stuff like that .. so what is it 1 cent every time someone plays your track ? well hopefully some good will come of it and get your name out there more...there are also some pluses to this...whilst someone might not necessarily find a web where you are selling your album, or might not have the patience to wait 3 weeks for it to arrive, or might make a new fan simply cause he gets directed or introduced to your music from someone similar, and than is so convenient to listen to you...not pay...then wait 3 weeks......hopefully they are customers you didn't have before ...or wouldn't have gotten....like the member who pmed you... spotify is quite young and probably still developing, good or bad i think is the way of the future, the convenience factor for the listener and the unlimited selection is huge ....the internet is and was already killing the recording industry...while the money is little atm, especially for the non commercial guy not doing pop who dosent have million dollar advertising ...it is at least a baby step in the right direction i hope, some people are getting money they wouldn't have before.....when its so easy and cheap to get noone bothers with illegal copies or virus infested torrent places.... especially when u can be in the car with your iphone...on a long drive ...and think "i feel like listening to the Beatles"...instantly...any song any album anything u feel like...right there on your car stereo quote:
This includes my only two available CD's I have out there I ve been trying to sell. Compared to what I sell at gigs of hard copies during the week, these numbers are funny to me. The period is after maybe 6 months or something, not sure...but really all my heart and soul out in the internet world is worth...40 cents? that's terrible...i cant believe its so low...as i said i hope its 40 cents you wouldn't have had before... If you really believe it affects your physical sales and are losing money cause of it, i am sure theres a way to chase it up and remove it from there.. hopefully they will work out a way to be fair to the artist because i think dvd and cd stores will become obsolete soon...why get dressed, get in the car...rush before the store closes...hope they have a copy of the new release movie you wanna see... when u can get it any time of the day or night instantly with a press of a button...and have an unlimited selection...and the movie you wanna see its always in...and u don't need to get in the car and return it after
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Date Jun. 18 2012 21:15:45
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RE: IF you havent allready u need to... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo No body is gonna be CAPABALE of making music of quality for 1 cent I can tell you that. Enjoy it while it lasts guys. I have a lot of respect for your abilities and you even seem like a half-decent person, but I have to disagree. I think that the whole notion of 'professional artist' is pretty bogus. In my opinion (for what it's worth), everyone should be making art (not only consuming it as some from of entertainment) as a part of their day to day. Sure, you might not have as much time to work on your picado because you need to spend some time making money, but I don't think the quality of the music will suffer. Check out at Charles Ives - an insurance salesman that filled his whole basement with amazing compositions that were only discovered after his death. I for one love the easy access the internet provides. I don't need to clutter my life with cds and such, much simpler to have all my music in one place. Streaming makes it even better coz I don't need to worry about hard drive space. I don't mean to put anyone out, just using what's available to me. You need to adapt to survive. Plus I never complained about the global economy. I graduated with a music degree that I could pretty much wipe my ass with, and after realizing I don't want to play crappy gigs for ****ty club and restaurant owners I looked for another way to make money. I busted my ass and taught myself a 'marketable skill' and now I'm my own boss, work wherever and whenever I want, and make better money than my professors did. The world keeps changing and you need to change with it, or else you get left behind. It's not a sign of the times, it's always been like that. I'm sorry that you're only making 1 cent per listen, but you're part of an industry with a broken business model. Sorry for being blunt but there's no way around it. Anyway, I already offered to buy you three drinks in return for your 'free' music (I pay the subscription fee). How's about I'll up it to four? =P
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Date Jun. 19 2012 0:33:50
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RE: IF you havent allready u need to... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Ha. I'm glad I was able to contribute to those parties. I'm expecting a lot of good karma to come from the DC area. I can see your point about being screwed on account of a checkbox, but isn't it a little similar to you playing at parties for free? Maybe at the party you get free food, drinks, and laughs, but imagine some young guitarist in some country you've never thought about (let's say Estonia - my apologies to any Estonian members) sitting in his room, streaming 'Madera Sonora', listening to the same lick over and over trying to figure it out. Plus you get a penny for each click. Too romanticized? I'd like to believe that's what the internet allows for. What I meant by the concept of a professional artist being bogus is more about the culture that promotes consumption instead of participation. We don't all partake in art, we pay someone to make it for us to experience it passively (by we I mean society, not us personally). The whole notion of art as a job devalues (in some sense) the art itself. Suddenly you're not doing it because you love it the most, you do it because it's "what you do" and you feel entitled to compensation. Your last post said that you're doing it because you love it (and I believe you), but your previous posts suggested that you're upset because you're not getting what you "deserve". I was trying to make a point that no one "deserves" anything, life's a hustle. As far as what I'm doing for work - I'm a freelance web-developer. Nothing secretive. I can talk about it all night long, just wanted to spare you guys.
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Date Jun. 19 2012 8:25:30
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Florian
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....then you have no right to sit back and complain about economy problems of the world and such. i don't man, choosing to do music i have always lived like theres a recession.. day to day, even tho i earn ok i blow it on dumb things lol...so it dosent effect me, its not a problem for me, its usual life... I do sympathize with you and see your frustration about the energy u put into your album and how seeing a cheque like that must make you feel...and I do think you deserve your rewards for your music and your craft...i am sure and hope that you will get it... quote:
Luckily there are still some folks that actually like to have things in their hands such as an actual hard copy of a music CD or Movie DVD, one cant fight technology ...weather you like it or not agree with it or not, its fair or not that's the way its going...i am not an advocate for it or against it, i didn't invented...its just what it is...weather i mention about it here or not...that's what out there and IMo that's the way its going..yes there are some folks now that still like them...but they are getting less and less and eventually record companies and movie companies will eliminate, manufacturing and delivery costs by taking the more convenient option ..it also means they can make the digital content available cheaper since theres a lot of manufacturing costs cut out ... hopefully they will find a way to not kill those industries and make it rewarding for the artist and keep those industries alive ( i don't know...perhaps something to do with ISP's they making a fortune from the internet and the biggest reason people get the net is to access...music, movies, games , software...seems like ISP's are ripping the biggest rewards when the attraction is something that has nothing to do with them, seems to me like it would be fair for them to share some of the spoils or pay some royalties towards the content which attracts people to use their product in the first place, imagine internet sales if there were no more even illegal music, movies, software, games on the net...)...do you think they don't know what goes on and way people want more and more download data and why they are giving it to them ? they conveniently look the other way cause they know that to do the right thing means money out of their own pockets... all people are good by nature, and noone wants to purposely rip anyone off...but when u just paid $100 a month for the net and got 500 gigs of downloads for those reasons...you don't exactly feel like you ARE getting it for free.....and don't tell me that we are getting unlimited download plans and paying 60 bucks extra for them the read the forum or email or just to read Wikipedia......at one point or another we have all downloaded something for which someone is getting screwed, watching a copywrited YouTube clip, downloading a book, an album, a tab, a movie a documentary, a picture..a software When one person is doing it is illegal when everybody is doing it , its change...and they need to figure out a way to change too and accept reality and make it work....or just declare that everyone is bad when cars were invented and it presented, comfort, shorter travel time and practicality noone pretended it didn't happen and stuck with the horses and carriages.. the answer is not to try and fight it but find a way to make it work for you...the internet has some negatives for music until they figure out a way.. but it also has some many positives for musicians one of them being that if you wanted you can get word out to about 100000000 people at a press of a button about your album or gig for free...something you couldn't have dreamed about before the internet...something that only big companies with big famous artists could afford
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Date Jun. 19 2012 13:17:22
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Ricardo
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RE: IF you havent allready u need to... (in reply to Florian)
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the answer is not to try and fight it but find a way to make it work for you...the internet has some negatives for music until they figure out a way.. but it also has some many positives for musicians one of them being that if you wanted you can get word out to about 100000000 people at a press of a button about your album or gig for free...something you couldn't have dreamed about before the internet...something that only big companies with big famous artists could afford That's why I said double edged sword...more exposure, but you are forced to cheapen it all. Is it a perfect balance? Going from $20 per unit to $0.01 per listen doesn't feel like a perfect balanced situation. Sure you get free advertising, but WHAT is being advertised? The guy in Estonia gonna higher me to play at his wedding? LOL. And he don't need to buy my CD if he already can hear it when ever he wants....WHAT am I advertising? MAYBE lessons...but all musicians need not be teachers...or will they in the future? Like I said I can understand SAMPLES that generate royalites....so you listen to your radio and you hear maybe half the tune....if you want it buy it to hear the WHOLE thing GREAT...if not, thanks for the penny either way. Even the $0.99 per song download makes no sense to me. For a standard length pop tune fine 3-4 minutes, but lets say a Shakti piece of 18 minutes of lydian 9/4 bliss is also $0.99 only because it's a single track? And the whole disc being only 3 tracks long is only $3 but at discount you get for $2.50???? It's crazy. [EDIT. This specific example I had seen in past I just re check and notice they meaning Amazon and Itunes, removed single download options for long tracks. "Album only " replaces the mp3 download icon...so this issue has finally been addressed. GOOD!!! LOL] I like CD baby cuz they give the artist control over all aspects. I can charge $5 per track if I wanted to. But the problem is the mentality of internet minded is already "How dare YOU..nobody wants your stuff for more than a dollar"...and now they can "spotify" it for a penny. Eventually it will be "how dare you charge AT ALL for your music...". It won't be worth to spend electricity to even upload it. Hence "going along with the system" musicans must come to terms with fact that 'professional" is bogus term for a musician...LOL. DJ was mentioned also earlier. They been cutting in on musicians for years already. Cuz they play ANYTHING. I saw a DJ with lap top and sign "Im the DJ NOT a juke box!!!" I thought that was funny cuz nowadays anybody can push a button on a play list and sit back and have a drink. In fact, sad to say, I have had to do the same and tell clients "**** your dj, when we take a break we play the Ipod on request ". A nice little revenge, but it only works in venues that actually can afford live music to begin with. I still can't believe clubs still higher DJs when even the dish washer can play and Ipod. Live music is irreplaceable, luckily, but it would still be a shame that musicians don't want to make recordings anymore since there would be ZERO return on it.
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