Fandangos structure and accompaniment

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Munin

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Fandangos structure and accompaniment

I am supposed to accompany fandangos for baile and cante for a class next month..the teacher has sent me some piecemeal recordings of letras that are going to be used but I still have no clue how the whole thing is pieced together structurally as well as in a baile context. Frankly this is a palo that I have been ignoring for way too long and it is coming back to bite my ass now!

Any resource or thread here on the foro that I can turn to? Did not find anything with the search function.

I recall my very first teacher teaching me a basic fandangos and structure, estribillo and so on years ago but I do not have the material anymore. I would appreciate any pointers.

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rombsix

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RE: Fandangos structure and accompan... (in reply to Munin)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=153308&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

Maybe this can help get things started?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2011 17:46:26

Munin

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RE: Fandangos structure and accompan... (in reply to Munin)

Thanks, I saw that of course...basic compas is not a problem for me as far as I can tell. It is just putting it all in context, and I still have no clue about the specific copla structure of fandangos etc.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2011 17:59:34

Ricardo

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RE: Fandangos structure and accompan... (in reply to Munin)

For dance it is always fandango de huelva. There are two main types of melodies used for dance, with a final remate they call "por bulerias" but it never felt like buleria to me.

After you figure out how you will structure any falseta or estribillo (chorus that might repeat or go between coplas) and number of basic compases (4 measures usually is one compas) then you have these types of coplas (using the basic compasing for chord you say you know well already)

G7-C (depending on the melody, the C chord change comes right on the 3rd beat of the first measure, or on the 3rd beat of the 3rd measure)
So either beats 1-6, or you have just G7 for beats 1-6, then G7-C for the next 7-12 beats.
The rest is always the same.
C-C (1-6) C7-F (7-12)
F-G7 (1-6) G7-C (7-12)
C-C, C(orD7 passing)-G7
G7-G7, G7-C
C7-F, F-E

So you see the copla is always 6 compases long (or 5 1/2 if you do that short version in the beginning...depends on the melody and it is obvious). If you opt to play copla type falseta (such as the ones PDL does in his guitar solos), be aware they often have an extra 2 compas tag to square things off, so you need to cut those so it is clear 6 compases. And only do the 1/2 compas thing if there is a singer.

The other type of melody is the exact same length, but you go to A major instead of C major:
E7-E7, E7-Amajor
Am (minor)-Am, Am-E7
E7-E7, E7-A (major)
Am-Am, Am-E7
E7-E7, E7-A
Am-F, F-E

Those are the main type of coplas they use for dance, you have to work out how many they want in advance, and what to do between them. The final verse tends to speed up with the lyrics "Arimate ay, gitana mia....etc". The chords are:
E7-Am, G-F-E, repeat, then
Am (I like C major here)-Am, G-G, F-F, G-F-E....
The final is
Am-G, G-F, F-E....repeat, and then sometimes an extra little tag F-E...depends on the dancer, I can usually tell by their motion if they will do that or not.

Hope that helps.

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Munin

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RE: Fandangos structure and accompan... (in reply to Munin)

Thanks Ricardo and romerito, that was enormously helpful and exactly what I was looking for. I will work with this for a bit and post again if I have questions.

This is why I love the foro!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2011 4:34:50