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at_leo_87

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is this bone okay to use? 
i bought this saddle off of ebay. it was cheap and it was the right size but it looks weird to me. it's a camel bone, btw.

i dont need it to be bleached white but this looks like fat or grease to me.

do you guys think this is safe to use?



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at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
another picture.



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at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
i've just been told that this piece has never been degreased.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 13:56:28
 
TANúñez

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
Why don't you just order from lmii.com or stewmac.com and get the right material?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 14:02:07
 
prd1

 

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
In a moment of desperation I stole a stuffed sterilised bone from my poor dog and cut a slice of bone to make a saddle - it looked just like the photo you have provided. I tried to degrease it with a household solvent and steeped it in bleach. I think I degreased it wll enough but didn't achieve a good looking bone piece.

After working the bone to size I fitted it to my guitar and used it for about a month before getting a new piece of bone from Madinter - I must admit, there wasn't any noticable change in sound to my ear - I only changed back for cosmetic reasons...

...if the RSPCA are snooping - I bought the dog a replacement bone.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 14:08:34
 
Doitsujin

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
I think I have a usual horse-bone-saddle. It smells like hell when filing it down.

Why is bone still the best material for saddles? Arent there now better materials available? Carbon or something?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 14:40:49
 
prd1

 

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
I remember having the 'smell' conversation a few years back - I hope it doesn't offend - but it smells like sperm...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 16:40:05
 
XXX

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to prd1) 
Yeah but better IMO. I like it alot.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 17:02:35
 
Andy Culpepper

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
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it was cheap


I don't think you could pay more than $4 for even the highest quality bone saddle blank. Just check LMI or stewmac.
Also I don't trust Ebay, somebody could be selling you a bone from their pet dog that died or something or their latest human victim

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 17:14:31
 
Doitsujin

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to XXX) 
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Yeah but better IMO. I like it alot.


eh.. Deniz.. you are scaring me.. So, sperm smells good and... bone...even better? haha
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 19:10:00
 
at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
hey guys,
stew mac has the right saddle for 7 bucks. plus another 7 dollars for shipping. lmii has it for 4 but shipping is like 7 or 8. i thought i could be cheap by buying from ebay but now i have to spend more.

now i have this piece of bone that could have been from a murder victim and smells like sperm just sitting around.


deniz, you can have this one if you'd like.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 19:47:06
 
kozz

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
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hey guys,
stew mac has the right saddle for 7 bucks. plus another 7 dollars for shipping. lmii has it for 4 but shipping is like 7 or 8. i thought i could be cheap by buying from ebay but now i have to spend more.

now i have this piece of bone that could have been from a murder victim and smells like sperm just sitting around.


deniz, you can have this one if you'd like.


LOL! at least it gives you the smell of a murder scene (or chinese restaurant)
Which palo would fit to that?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 19:52:06
 
Ron.M

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to kozz) 
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now i have this piece of bone that could have been from a murder victim and smells like sperm just sitting around.


Which palo would fit to that?


Can't think of any particular one ATM, kozz...

But I bet Simon could make a great horror movie about it.

(When everyone is asleep, the bone begins to glow with an erie light, as the ghost of the former owner comes to claim his body part to be buried, so he can rest in peace...and seeks vengeance on those who abused it.....)

All to a lone and plaintive seguiriyas soundtrack...

Be scared...Be VERY scared... whoooooh!

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 20:04:54
 
kozz

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to Ron.M) 
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Can't think of any particular one ATM, kozz...

But I bet Simon could make a great horror movie about it.


LOL! Like Scary Bone part V

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 20:10:43
 
at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
great... now i have a bone from a murder victim that smells like sperm AND is cursed.
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GuitarVlog

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: at_leo_87
great... now i have a bone from a murder victim that smells like sperm AND is cursed.

Which of those three is the worst?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 20:25:52
 
kozz

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
quote:

great... now i have a bone from a murder victim that smells like sperm AND is cursed.


Count it out, a DVD box of CSI is more expensive, and even then you still can touch it....good job!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 16 2011 20:55:41
 
edguerin

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
quote:

(When everyone is asleep, the bone begins to glow with an erie light, as the ghost of the former owner comes to claim his body part to be buried, so he can rest in peace...and seeks vengeance on those who abused it.....)

All to a lone and plaintive seguiriyas soundtrack...


But then he is so enthralled by the fantastic toque ....

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ralexander

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
cursed murder victim bone saddles give the most haunting sounding lows - as Martha would say, it's a good thing
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2011 16:11:41
 
kozz

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
I'll sent you some bone later on!
37 years cured...no murder involved



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at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to kozz) 
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I'll sent you some bone later on!
37 years cured...no murder involved


some toe nails for in case i break my thumb nail and need to glue something would be great too.

did you break your leg?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2011 16:41:17
 
Sean

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
Definitely don't use it, I was thinking of making my own nut and saddles because I thought it was stupid to throw away money on something so readily available. That was until I looked into the proper way to degrease it and the dangers to the health of your guitars using un greased bone. It is simpler and easier to just buy it from a reputable supplier and much better for the health of your guitar.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 22:10:14
 
at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
hey sean,
i made a saddle from a dog chewing bone once and that was certainly a pain in the ass.

i wish i could buy one from a local luthier.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 22:56:02
 
Sean

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
If not degreased properly the grease will slowly over time seep out into that lovely porous wood causing glue joints to separate. Yup your head could actually fall off from having a greasy nut they probably didn't tell you that one in school lol. A very nice guitar could be damaged over a very cheap part, so you should probably ask yourself if your guitar is worth more then the $5 or $10. If you only need one nut or saddle it will cost you more money to prepare it properly then what you can buy it for.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 23:39:36
 
Sean

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
If you really want to prep that piece here is what you have to do.
1 Simmer it for 2 hours in water with added dish soap at 200 degrees F.
2 Let it soak in ammonia or white gas(fire hazard) for a couple weeks changing the fluid a few times.
3 Then soak it in soapy water again to clean the ammonia or white gas off.
4 Leave it to air dry over night
Your done if you want it natural, if you want it white go to step 5
5 Bleach in 3% Hydrogen peroxide for 5-10 mins
6 Rinse it off thoroughly
7 Leave it to air dry
Done

This is why I couldn't be bothered making my own nuts and saddles for the guitars I build.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2011 0:06:07
 
at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to Sean) 
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2 Let it soak in ammonia or white gas(fire hazard) for a couple weeks changing the fluid a few times.


the white gas would cost more than a properly prepared bone.
plus, getting rid of it would be a problem. plus it's a fire hazard.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 29 2011 6:44:02
 
at_leo_87

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RE: is this bone okay to use? (in reply to at_leo_87) 
i used a bone like the one on the right last time. i used a table saw to cut mine (yikes!). and that gave me four saddles. with more precise cuts, im sure you could get more.
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