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Hi all. im new to this forum biz but ye all seem to offer good advice. I have been playing guitar for close on 20 years, have been into flamenco for a few years, but only managed to start learning flamenco a couple of months ago. does anyone have any tips on how to proceed? i have so many questions and few answers. I am in Dublin, Ireland and cant find any other flamencos and it seems theres only one guitar teacher in the whole city. any advice on how to proceed would be great. also i dont read music..is that a big hindrance? thanks for any advice ye may have
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Date Feb. 28 2005 0:45:43
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Jon Boyes
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ORIGINAL: Guest I am in Dublin, Ireland and cant find any other flamencos I put flamenco and Dublin into Google: http://www.iol.ie/%7Eflamenco/home.html http://www.geocities.com/flamencoymas/home.html My suggestions: Go along to a dance class and see if you can find an experienced player that you can tag along with or even take lessons from. If thre is a specialist classical guitar dealer in town (there should be), chances are they might have a register of any flamenco guitar teachers in the area. Buy a beginners method book: Juan Martins El Arte Flamenco... is good, if a little old school, and the Graf Martinez method (two books plus CD) is excellent too, and a lot more modern. Don't buy both or you will get confused by the fact that that the authors see to teach a completely different approach. Thats flamenco, I'm afraid . Oscar Herrero makes a seies of beginners videos which are popular too. Listen to/watch as much flamenco as you can. Go and order the Saura DVD 'Flamenco' NOW, for a superb collection of flamenco stars, old and new, beatifully filmed and a great cross section of the three ingredients of flamenco: cante (that's the singing), baile (dancing) and lastly toque (the guitar). Finally, do you have a guitar? A classical guitar wil do to start off, but you would be better off getting a flamenco if you can afford it, there are physical differences. Jon
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Date Feb. 28 2005 8:57:05
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thanks for that advice john...much appreciated..i didnt explain myself brilliantly..i have found a teacher and have taken 5 or 6 lessons but its expensive (what isnt!) and im not overjoyed with the teacher..however i feel i can learn the basics from him..but at some stage soon i will have to proceed alone and that was mainly why i was asking...also, as i said, i dont read music, do you think that's a big hindrance??at the moment i am using a bad classical guitar, i have played flamenco before, but all advice seems that lower range guitars are not great..i feel id be better off saving up and buying a good one next time im in spain..i know there are differences but it seems feasible to learn on a classical, if not ideal, what you think? thanks for your help, dylan
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Date Feb. 28 2005 12:03:11
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ORIGINAL: Guest also, as i said, i dont read music, do you think that's a big hindrance?? In flamenco? No, I think its an advantage Seriously though, its not really that relevant. Flamenco is a pain in the ass to notate acurately anyway and its very difficult to get all the detail in there. Your ears are your main tools. quote:
at the moment i am using a bad classical guitar, i have played flamenco before, but all advice seems that lower range guitars are not great..i feel id be better off saving up and buying a good one next time im in spain..i know there are differences but it seems feasible to learn on a classical, if not ideal, what you think? thanks for your help, dylan Its feasible to start off, and its true that often a very cheap classical will sound no different to a very cheap flamenco, but there are physical differences - esp the bridge height - that making certain flamenco technques easier. Great name, BTW, my son Dylan was one last week . ..and his dad is still recovering from Wales' amazing performance against France on Saturday What a match!! Phew, I needed a stiff drink after that one. Are you Irish? Wales Vs Ireland will be unmissable - Ireland are on superb form too. Jon
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Date Feb. 28 2005 12:21:54
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hi jon..yeh im irish alright..the match was great..we were all cheering for wales..what about ireland v england !!happy bithday to the young fella....maybe ill just lower the bridge on the guitar i have..maybe that would help? dylan
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Date Feb. 28 2005 13:21:08
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Jon Boyes
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Yeah, saw the Ireland Vs England match too, great stuff. Driscoll is scary, our boys are going to have to watch out for him You can't lower the bridge (without physically removing it, sanding it down, refixing etc - a professionals job and not worth it on a cheap guitar). You are probably thinking about the saddle, which sits in a slot in the bridge. Trimming that will help get the action down, sure, but the bridge height is much lower on a flamenco, brining the strings much closer to the top of the guitar. For golpe techniques and some other things, that close proximity is important. Jon
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Date Feb. 28 2005 14:44:11
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You can actually lower the bridge. Just the part with the bone, if you cannot lower the saddle enough to obtain a good action. Its best done with a small thumb plane, but chisel and sandpaper can do as well. Dont do it if you are not sure about what you're doing, and leave the saddle slot with a depth of at least 1 1/2mm. (this can be lowered as well, but can be a little bit more tricky)
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Date Feb. 28 2005 14:58:09
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Go along to a dance class and see if you can find an experienced player that you can tag along with or even take lessons from I'd like to second this suggestion. My father was Spanish and raised me listening to flamenco, as he had many friends in the New York flamenco community including Sabicas, but that’s another story… Years later when I, already a working musician, took a renewed interest in flamenco I was shocked to see I couldn’t automatically follow a song with only two chords. By that time I was in Puerto Rico (where my mother was from) with very little access to people who could or would be willing to explain flamenco rythmic structure. So for three months I religiously visited a flamenco dance class that did not use guitar, only handclapping. They would not explain anything, people would just follow along; but it and finally it began to dawn on me. Then I looked for a guitar teacher, but it was much easier because I didn’t have to struggle with the rhythm.
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