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Jim Opfer

Posts: 1876
Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

Bolero

Ravel's Bolero,

Goes like this'

Dum diddly dum diddly dum dum
Dum diddly dum diddly diddly diddly.....repeat

Mmmmm! Flamenco?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 8 2005 21:29:04

Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Is Carmen by Bizet flamenco? Is West Side Story?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 8 2005 21:41:23

Patrick

Posts: 1189
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

quote:

Mmmmm! Flamenco?

Jim,

I think that's:

Mmmmmm! Flamingo?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 8 2005 22:33:41

bailoro2000

Posts: 93
Joined: Jul. 7 2003

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Jim.

Ravel's Bolero is almost an obsession with me and I've got Lord knows how many versions of it. Went to see the Halle Orchestra do it live in Manchester last year and may well do the same this. It's been hammered to death by groups such as Ballet Espanol and many flamenco dancers have also danced it to their own choreography. It's always been Spanish Classical in terms of music, and Spanish dance in general terms. No one has ever regarded it as flamenco or even claimed it to be to the best of my knowlege.
Magnificent atmospheric music that invokes images of Spain, yes, and gives great scope to dancers; flamenco..no!

Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 9 2005 8:09:12

Escribano

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Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy

RE: Bolero (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

quote:

Is Carmen by Bizet flamenco?

Doubt it, the book was written by a Frenchman

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 9 2005 13:44:02

bailoro2000

Posts: 93
Joined: Jul. 7 2003

RE: Bolero (in reply to Escribano)

And West Side Story was about Puerto Ricans, although Rita Moreno would probably have mad a hell of a flamenco dancer

Jim

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 9 2005 14:00:54

Jim Opfer

Posts: 1876
Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

No, I know it's not flamenco, just trying to put the rhythm into some sort of flamenco context to see if the underlying structure could be expressed in 4's or 3's as Tangos or Sevillianas etc.

I've got involved with Royal Scottish National Orchestra leading to a short warm up performance before Sharon Isbin comes on to play Rodrigo's Aranjuez, sounds grand but no big deal, just that RSNO would like something based on Bolero?

Mmmm...!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2005 15:26:43

Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

I saw Sharon play the Aranjuez here in town. I believe she was amplified, but you had to strain so hard just to make out the guitar over the orchestra. She needed to pump it up. She has good technical fluency, but you have to be able to hear it. Also, she used a pick for the strumming, and laid it on her knee while not using it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2005 17:06:01

bailoro2000

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Well, you could always use Lecouna's "Malaguena" Jim. Not boleros, or even flamenco but very atmospheric Spanish music. It's also been recorded as "Spanish Gypsy Dance"
and has a nice run to it and can incorporate a guitar solo. Hey, is anyone old enough to remember Ted Heath having a hit with it on the reverse of "Cloudburst" in the late fifties?
Ah well, probably not

Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2005 21:13:29

Jim Opfer

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Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Bolero (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

I'll need to look out for the pick, that has to be a bit odd for a classical player?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 11 2005 16:54:16

Jim Opfer

Posts: 1876
Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Bolero (in reply to bailoro2000)

Thanks Jim, well remembered, Mr B+W tv, Ted Heath, ear to ear grin and a shock of long grey hair.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 11 2005 16:56:04

sorin popovici

Posts: 427
Joined: Jan. 7 2005
From: Iasi, Romania

RE: Bolero (in reply to Jim Opfer)

that's so ironic .....she has a video on guitar.com where she says smth like this:
"i dont teach any other type of guitar ....but classical"....and she says that having
such a condescendent way....(maybe I'm wrong here...but to me that's what it
appeared)....and now she's using a pick for strumming.I'm not saying that it's not
ok to use a pick...just saying that's some irony here IMHO.

she's a great player anyway ....and she meet Andres (Segovia) too.

As for the bolero...u're obsessed ...everything seems flamenco after a while.