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minordjango

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Joined: Feb. 26 2005

playing time practice

hello,

just getting my head around a practice schedule , total time about 2 hours.

any ideas how to improve this, i have listed my weakness and the focus on the schedule , i like to keep it fun yet at the some time , i think as i never done so much, technical work, yet - always focusing on compas, my LH is decent through playing every other style of music, Rh tremolo and Picado are horrific !!.

love to hear others thoughts on this , i an a disorganized lad so here goes............

Practice schedule

warm up basic exercise just one by guiliani or m.granados focus on arpeggio, rh useage i.e string crossing, and basic rh patterns as used in the pieces to learn.

technical excerpts from classic pieces , mainly picados by sabicas.panaderos flamenco PDl (for the picados) and or the old tremolo passage, or tricky lh movements, .

tapping rhythms with metronome basic subdivsions of the beat.

clapping basic palos with metronome and or recordings.

Focus.

memorization of the set pieces , improvements in picado, and rh fingers in particular m,a , (i.e etude no 1 lobos , and el colbiri sagrearas,j

improved concent of rhythm, playing in time, and feeling the pulse..

alzupua basic paco de lucia flaseta from his solea live 1975.
panaderos flamencos just the picados (long term goal to learn this piece)
pieces (set.

compas patterns , as per M.cordoba book pg 94
pg 87-91 (alegrias and solea).

m.granados book 1/2 excerpts only from Solea por bulerias , and alegrias

focusing again on just the compas patterns making the rhythm tight
jose taneka bulerias ideas/concets goal - just to play variations of compass, no tricky falsetas just grove.

zapateado - estaban sanlucar

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 7:32:33

kozz

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Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL

RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

I think you should add a little more, this doesn't look sufficient to me amigo

Seriously....all this in 2 hours??
Thats pretty damn much....personally I would skip a few things and spread it out over the week.

Really pay attention to one thing MD, it takes a while to get warmed up and then you need to focus on the one thing you want the improve.
Give it the time and attention before rushing to the next part.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 8:04:16

Elie

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

actually I agree with kozz ..
you have many plans to do in just 2 hours
you should improve ur weakness points without distracting your self with many tasks .
times always run so fast when im practicing techniques

specially picado with long scales and alternating fingers .
good luck .

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 8:14:38

minordjango

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Joined: Feb. 26 2005

RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

thanks guys , great points , its nice to throw the idea up and get your pointers.

im thinking i have to use m,a a lot to get the scales, and rh arps , going , i honestly never really used m,a on scales.

after seeing guitarista in madrid raving about it , and hearing him play a scale (lot better than me ) i thought ok , best do it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 9:11:03

Elie

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

quote:

im thinking i have to use m,a a lot to get the scales, and rh arps , going , i honestly never really used m,a on scales.

yes go for it my friend and why not pushing it to a higher level ?
mmm why not practicing picado with all fingers ... believe me just try it for a week and you will feel the different in your hand it will become more powerful and faster
like choose a scale and practice it like the following referring the pinky as (x) :
1. i - m , m - i .
2. i - a , a - i .
3. m - a , a - m .
4. a - x , x - a .
5. m - x , x - m .
6. i - x , x - i .
it worth try it and you will see the difference .. usually practicing picado take me over 25 minutes but its so efficient and helpful to all other techniques
good luck

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 10:40:29

minordjango

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

exactly Dark E Draven, i am a lazy guitar player, but now i listen to great flamenenco the rhythm and technique hold me back , im musical, well without sounding silly i am, on other instruments, and styles.

thats a very intense work out ofr the pinky !, but you know the classical pieces that were always hard were the ones that required that extra effort, im not working so now is the time !, cheers for the help

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 12:15:41

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

I spend under an hour a day on technique, the rest (2-3 hours) on repertoire. Too much technique practice is bad for the joints and not as productive as practising the falsetas and pieces you really want to play.

If you practise scales the whole day all you'll be able to show for it is scales. One you know a scale, it does no good to repeat it the same way every day. Try to find out what in your technique you're having trouble with and focus on that - make an exercise of 5-10 minutes per day out of it.

This is what works for me, everyone is different...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 13:18:46

Ricardo

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

quote:

tapping rhythms with metronome basic subdivsions of the beat.

clapping basic palos with metronome and or recordings....improved concent of rhythm, playing in time, and feeling the pulse....focusing again on just the compas patterns making the rhythm tight
jose taneka bulerias ideas/concets goal - just to play variations of compass, no tricky falsetas just grove.

That should be quite enough, and the main thing to spend time on.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 14:09:47

minordjango

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

cheers folks for the info , yes john good point, focus on my personal technical probs, no worry about every exercise in granados book etc.

ricardo for me those aspects are imperative, as the above my weekness.

but.......ive played guitar a bit and i have been at the same standard for a while, i would like to acuire a little more technique, it kills me when i see a little person playing scales way better than me ! (doit would like that!).

and im feeling some exercises are key for me , i have memorized a few melodic exercises i learnt in granada, they are cool, im thinking .

10-15 mins tops now with scale exerpts and staccato practice / string crossing.

if i can get to a few more months playing acceptable versions of panaderos flamenco, and etude 1 lobos , i would have achieved some technical results.

and ill do it !! fun practicing today, even thinking about this stuff helps .

im such a beach guitarists, im enjoying getting more serious.

out of interest for me and others
whats peoples top 5-10 Rh patterns for accompaniment ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 16:07:16

michel

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From: france

RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

hi minor django

i understand what you want to achieve with your practice schedule, sounds very interesting (and ambitious)! i agree with all other members posts on this subject.
my observations:
yesterday i was accompagning a cantaora who did palmas (por tangos)
it was so fun and i only focused on compas, i played maybe one falseta in three hours and i didn't have the feeeling that i missed something. instead of trying to remember a falseta that would have thrown me out of the groove i completed the compas with a few improvised bass notes, when these are played in the right moment, it has a much more explosive effect then a unconfident falseta. i underestimated the potential of grooving compas!

I write this because it motivates me to go away from "books" and searching inspiration in records/youtube (look at the buleira from Dani de Moron posted by jg, this guy is awesome!)

i made the mistake to play music out of granados book but each time with the book in front of me (to lazy to activate my memory), and that's a mistake. IMO it is better to only use the book for memorizing the falseta and then playing it without book and connect it to other things, to the usual playing context.

anyway i'm sure your on the right way, good luck

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2010 4:09:02

minordjango

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

quote:

i played maybe one falseta in three hours and i didn't have the feeling that i missed something.

dear Michel, the above and the idea with the gran dos book so important, i relise as a bed rm guitarist i have done this all my life!!, i get caught up in sound.

but in reality cant play on time or memory , your post is really helpful.

and its so great to hear you jammed just tangos (mind you tangos is good !) and had fun .

what timing problems and situations did you have with the group playing tangos .

excuse my English

ps note today i played with that android (metronome) made me very depressed i cannot play in time it hurts hehe

i will upload my failure to compute

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2010 13:18:32

minordjango

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RE: playing time practice (in reply to minordjango)

granados ideas are really brilliant , but i look at 3 pages and think oh dear , in reality (as u say amigo) just memorize them.

great call thank you all

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2010 14:01:37