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henrym3483
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Joined: Nov. 13 2005
From: Limerick,Ireland
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getting "good" tone?
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after a conversation i had with ramin in the barbadillo bodega, when we were talking tone or "toque". the story goes i was playing ricardos cd for a friend in ireland who happens to be spanish, and said "who's the new flamenco player" and was surprised when i told him ricardo was american but had studied with one of the best flamenco players in the world, and said ricardos sound was muy flamenco and muy moderno. how does one achieve that somewhat elusive "sound" that is flamenco, and does not sound like nuevo flamenco, but that gritty, tight and strong tone. is it simply the angle of attack in arpeggios, picado or pulgar. or does it require searching for that sound continuosly whilst doing slow practice? but good flamenco tone IMHO opinion is what separates the imitators from the true performers. personally i look up to cepero, moraito and tomate and even though my hands are not the same shape i look to create that tone. im wondering whether we can have a discussion about obtaining true flamenco guitar tone, because most other threads refer to repetoire or specific technique performance.
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Date Aug. 7 2009 14:26:50
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: getting "good" tone? (in reply to Ricardo)
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Wow.. Difficult subject to explain in words IMO. Flamenco tone, to me is like "sophisticated naivety" or "smooth crudeness", so very different from the Classical tone and Bossa nylon guitar tone etc. Really hard to explain.... Ricardo, I hear what you are saying, but I think that's because you care a lot about what you play and I think you sell yourself short here, as your CD's general tone and phrasing etc stands up pretty well to the established non-gringo players IMO (and as you know, I'm pretty unashamedly critical about that kinda stuff. ) It's funny, 'cos when I hear, say... Clapton...I can tell he's a white guy with a good blues guitar technique, but when I hear, say... Hendrix play some of his less crazy stuff, he sounds like a black player...even though he was brought up a thousand miles away from the south. Admittedly, he spent a lot of time doing session work for black groups though. It's maybe that music, in phrasing and tone and the subtler things finds it's own centre of gravity within the folk you work and associate with? Interesting subject. cheers, Ron
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Date Aug. 8 2009 11:29:00
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henrym3483
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From: Limerick,Ireland
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RE: getting "good" tone? (in reply to Ron.M)
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some really good replies so far, when trying to get tone i go for volume, strength and the apoyando being in all pulgar techs rather than brushing. as regards picado ive never really been satisfied with it, listening to some records picado can sound very "wet" on the trebles but i aim for the crisp sound. as regards the nail shaping ive reffered to scott tennants book pumping nylon. quote:
It's funny, 'cos when I hear, say... Clapton...I can tell he's a white guy with a good blues guitar technique, but when I hear, say... Hendrix play some of his less crazy stuff, he sounds like a black player...even though he was brought up a thousand miles away from the south. i dunno if i could tell if clapton was white from a cd, i heard a cd he did of rob johnsons material and it sounded quite good. but thing is would it be any hard to tell a person was spanish or non spanish by listening to him.
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Date Aug. 8 2009 15:16:27
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