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Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

De Falla

I'm sure many of you heard La Vida Breve in Paco's performance. I happen to have a very nice sheet music for this. Paco I believe plays it as a duet, which makes it much easier. I have a solo version which means you have to do a lot between just two hands.
There was a time when I worked on it, and got it to an Ok standard but it's been a while and I want to redevote myself to it. I believe at some point someone on the foro asked me for a sheet. I don't remember who it was and if that someone is still here I'd like to know...HOW DID IT GO?

Also you all may know that De Falla took a lot of inspiration from flamenco even though his music is more of a classical guitar type. So I'd like to hear some thoughts on his stuff from those who've played flamenco for a while.

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HemeolaMan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

i would like the sheet music!!! lol

hey, you know i think i saw a youtube vid of j. williams and paco pena discussing the flamenco essence of the sevilla piece by albeniz.

perhaps that could lend some insight????

i realize that de falla and albeniz are very different lol

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2007 3:32:43

Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Thanks for the link man. I was hoping more people would participate. Apparently no one has anything to say. Oh well.

As far as the sheet...email me.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2007 15:21:39

HemeolaMan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

actually i saw a de falla recital a few months ago, a local guy who's a professor somewhere near here.

i friended him on myspace, he's apparently a real fan of flamenco. dunno if he plays atall. however
i noted in the performance that he was very strict with the rhythm and there were notes in the progra m about flamenco and its influence on de falla.

there is a definite and significant link.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2007 23:55:01

koella

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980) 1 votes

Well, I got something to say.

I think DeFalla, just like a lot of his romantic contemporary's did lend from the folkmusic of their native countries. Because that was the fashion. Other examples are Grieg, Sibelius, the Russians ( moussorgsky, Prokovjev and even Stravinsky ).

Btw. deFalla did lend from flamenco/ spanish folklore, but he didn't care much for the guitar as far as I know. He never wrote one piece for it.
Nor did Albeniz, as far as I know.

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Estevan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

quote:

Bogdan: Also you all may know that De Falla took a lot of inspiration from flamenco even though his music is more of a classical guitar type.

Most of his music is for orchestra, chamber ensemble, or piano, or voice with one of those.

quote:

Koella: Btw. deFalla did lend from flamenco/ spanish folklore, but he didn't care much for the guitar as far as I know. He never wrote one piece for it.

On the contrary, Falla was very interested in the guitar, and he certainly did write one famous piece for it,

Falla together with Lorca and others organized the Concurso de Cante Jondo in Granada in 1922 because they wanted to raise the profile of cante jondo at a time when there was a lot of commercialisation of flamenco shows featuring the lighter types of songs.
The influence of flamenco can be heard in much of his music.

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Estevan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Estevan)

p.s. I just want to say that I had to edit the preceding post because my keyboard left out the 'n' in jondo, which is pretty funny.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2007 1:23:16

HemeolaMan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Estevan)

cante jodo!!!! rearrange, cante DOJO!!!!!!

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Bogdan1980

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

There you go. That's right, and I guess the previous comparison with Albeniz can be made because both composed for piano among other things. THat's why Albeniz is so hard to play on the guitar. So is Falla. I never got excited by Tombeau, but Breve and other dances that Paco does are amazing. And Miller's dance is all flamenco I think.

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koella

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Sorry for being inaccurate.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2007 8:32:22

Guest

RE: De Falla (in reply to koella)

thats o.k dont give it a second thought

(i dont have a clue with classical anyway)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2007 8:35:29

Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

BTW, that lady in that video link is hot. .. I need to go to Spain

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Pimientito

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Estevan)

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ORIGINAL: Estevan

Falla together with Lorca and others organized the Concurso de Cante Jondo in Granada in 1922 because they wanted to raise the profile of cante jondo at a time when there was a lot of commercialisation of flamenco shows featuring the lighter types of songs.
The influence of flamenco can be heard in much of his music.

Thanks Estevan for bringing that up. There is no question that de Falla was hugely influenced by Flamenco. He also lived in the Alhambra palace for a while in the Calle Real. He was invited to live in Granada by Lorca but found the town too noisy. It is also worth noting that Andres Segovia was the third person in the collaboration to organise the Concurso de Cante Jondo.

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Estevan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Pimientito)

And thank you Pimientito - I don't know details of Falla's life and didn't know that he lived in the Alhambra for a bit.

Yes, Segovia was another of the main sponsors of the Concurso de Cante Jondo, and - even more interesting - he actually performed some soleares there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2007 16:46:03

Bogdan1980

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Segovia, soleares?? Didn't he say once that flamenco was for kids? "Kid's toys" I think were the actual words.
Mr. Ego. Interestingly hi technique is not very good in terms of classical music of course. When he was young he was very musical but if you listen to some of his later things, not good at all. Asturiaz is downright pathetic. Also he was supposed to play Aranjuez and bailed out in the last moment and I think Celedonio Romero or one of the brothers replaced him and breezed through it.

Can't fake Aranjuez.

. Don't get me wrong, I think he was a great man and very impressive player, I just can't imagine him playing soleares.

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Estevan

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RE: De Falla (in reply to Bogdan1980)

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I just can't imagine him playing soleares.

Yes it's surprising at first, especially considering his very limited concept of flamenco later on, but in fact his first guitar lessons were in flamenco and that's what he played in his youth.
This performance was in a 'preliminary session' before the actual Concurso, which he and Lorca did as a fundraiser for the main event. According to Segovia:

"First, Federico recited his poem dedicated to Silverio (a great master of cante jondo, already passed away), and then I started to play the guitar, rasgueando some soleares composed by me for that occasion, and others by Paco Lucena."

The crowd went wild and "the concert ended up turning into an informal juerga, given that the audience was made up of friends and acquaintances."

Read all about it here:
Andres Segovia: Sus Relaciones con el Arte Flamenco

And [really off-topic, but you started it

] if you want to know the real story of The Old Man and Aranjuez (nothing like the one you were told), read this (it's in English):
Rodrigo-Segovia

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