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Ron.M

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Spanish Language

I was trying to help my little girl get enthused about her "O" grade Spanish by telling her that it was not just a case of translating the words but a language is a complete culture.
She was very charmed by this example (Tangos by Camaron)

My Spanish is not great but this is how I hear it....

Ay que bonitas estan las flores
En alegre Primavera
Con sus Divinos colores

Tu eres la Mar
Yo soy el arena
Yo soy contigo
Donde quiera.

You just can't say that in English.

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 18 2007 16:01:50

Estevan

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

Right, Ron.
And for me one of the best things about the Spanish language is the word 'madrugada'.

The existence of this word may be proof of an inherently poetic soul, or it might just be a pragmatic response to a lifestyle. I incline towards the former.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 18 2007 17:02:24

Ron.M

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Estevan)

quote:

And for me one of the best things about the Spanish language is the word 'madrugada'.

Snap!
One of my favourite words too!
There used to be this programme from Radio Nacional de España when I was young which was broadcast about 1.00am called "Flamenco en la Madrugada " from Sevilla, which was really crackly and everything since it was coming from over a thousand miles away.
Terremoto and Manuel Morao, Fosforito, Chocolate etc
I used to love snuggling up in my bed and listening to it on headphones while the rain beat down on the window.
I guess that's where my taste in Flamenco comes from.

That sound.

cheers,

Ron

PS: A thing that really cheered me was Rafael, the Flamenco guitarist said he used to listen to it in bed too, although he was listening in Spain!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 18 2007 18:07:32

Matic

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

Amazing Ron...

Can you tell me the title of these tangos de Camaron?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 18 2007 22:23:34

Ron.M

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Matic)

Matic,
It's from a very early album (I think the second) from Camaron and Paco.
It's got the rather naff title "Al Padre Santo de Roma", (which would not raise too much cheer from Ian Paisley or the Orangemen of Glasgow.

)

It's a great Tangos, full of energy and great lyrics.
Also the two guitars harmonise with Paco doing Bflat-A and his brother Ramon doing C7-B7.
Sounds great!

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2007 17:36:04

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2007 17:39:18

Jim Opfer

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

You just can't say that in English

Especially if you don't know Spanish

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2007 19:16:05

Matic

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

Yes, full of energy... lailolalalailoleilo.... high five Ron!

...ps: to me it sounds more like: "...yo voy contigo donde tu quiera"
(although I dont think 'quiera' is grammatically correct...but so what

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2007 21:30:46

Estevan

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Matic)

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although I dont think 'quiera' is grammatically correct...but so what

It would be 'quieras', but the final 's' is pronounced 'h' or not pronounced at all in Andalusian Spanish.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2007 23:06:22

bmxican47

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

Ay que bonitas estan las flores
En alegre Primavera
Con sus Divinos colores

Tu eres la Mar
Yo soy el arena
Yo soy contigo
Donde quiera.

I havent heard the piece you guys are talking about, but its most likely "la arena". And the "soy contigo" is probably voy contigo or estoy contigo. Im guessing voy since it sounds like what you heard. And there would be an "s" at the end of quieras, but like somebody mentioned, they get pretty aspirated down here in the south. ;)

Beautiful lyrics for sure.

hasta luego,
Joe

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2007 0:31:23

Matic

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

thanks both

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2007 10:34:46

Ron.M

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to bmxican47)

Ay...mi Español no es bueno hombre..

But sometimes I can get the general gist of it.

Pepe de Lucia does another great Tangos with great words from the album "El Mundo Flamenco de Paco de Lucia".
Can't remember them correctly right now.
I'll have to dig it out again..

You must admit though...a lot of people say Camaron is overrated...but to me he has that certain"something" that put him head and shoulders over his contemporaries IMO.
It's hard to pin down in words what that magic was.

FernandoTerremoto was another.

What is talent?

Why do certain people just hear and feel it right and extend the medium when others are just very competent?

That's the mystery and beauty of Art IMO.

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2007 17:38:57

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2007 17:56:43

gato

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

What is talent? Why do certain people just hear it right and extend the medium when others are just very competent? Why do semi-talented people make it with all the hidden treasures whom very few people know about? You've got to stop believing in recordings, and then ask those questions.....with all respect.....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2007 19:13:07

Ron.M

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to gato)

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What is talent? Why do certain people just hear it right and extend the medium when others are just very competent? Why do semi-talented people make it with all the hidden treasures

I don't know Gato.
Paco Pena and Rafael don't play really well when they are just in a room with you...make plenty of mistakes and generally fumble around.

How do they do it?

Dave (Pacopicado) met a famous guitarist in Cordoba and he couldn't even remember his compositions.

John Williams used to meet up with his friends in a pub in London on a Saturday morning.
One of them said "He screws all the time like most of us....but he never does it on stage".

Why is that?

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 21 2007 12:52:52

stephen hill

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Jim Opfer)

translation for you jim!

ay how beautiful are the flowers
in joyful springtime
with their divine colours

you are the sea
I am the sand
I am with you
wherever you want

wherever you want' or could be everywhere
LA mar is normally EL mar but in the coast areas here in andalucia the sea becomes feminine, especially as he is talking about a woman

I expect some wisecrack native speaker will say I have it all wrong!

Heres another one

vente conmigo
a las retamas del camino,
tienes unos dientes
como granitos de arroz con leche

come with me
to the broom by the wayside,
you have teeth like grains of rice in milk

alegrias.

rice pudding, now tell that to your wife,
actually its rather beautiful. very erotic and spontaneous wayside sex

or is he talking about his burro!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 21 2007 17:01:22

stephen hill

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

or this one, a true gem!!

Mi caballo y mi mujer
se me murieron a un tiempo
Mi mujer, Dios la perdone!
Mi caballo es lo que siento.

My horse and my wife
died at the same time
God pardon my wife
My horse is what I mourn

fandangos

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 21 2007 17:06:29

gato

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RE: Spanish Language (in reply to Ron.M)

You are right, Ron, why is that? That, would be telling, and it is none of my buisness........

I had a girl friend who used to make her own cd covers, and slip them into the gem cases. She figured, it's just music, and she didn't believe all the hype. She added all of the pertinent information of course, the name of the song, the time, and added her own liner notes, but nothing about the artists, or the name of the band. And of course she added the name of the cd, but the origional cd covers she threw away. She figured the origional cd cover was hype and it was bogus, and not really nessesary for her. She made her own artwork that gave her a good feeling about the cd.

That is critical thinking!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2007 3:25:24