broken bulerias compas

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rotemb

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Joined: Jul. 7 2007

broken bulerias compas

i listened to one of tomatito's flasetas and i noticed that the end of the falseta - cierre doesn't fit the 12 compas .. he closes the compas on 3. when i look at the notes that came with the video (attached file) it also shows that falseta ends on 3 [from the encuentro video - falseta no.2 (00:15:40)].

that falseta is being used at camarom and tomatito video - Camaron..en concierto con Tomatito , and there also the palmas don't fit (19:57-20:18 on the video . at the 20:18 he closes the compas but my palmas are on 3..4..5..6 , and then he opens another compas from 12?!!?).

im sure 100% that the compas is being broken - belive me i set for hours doing palmas and trying to understand my mistake.

my question is - does it make sense to brake the compas and continue from 12 like nothing happend?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2007 17:53:27

itoprover

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RE: broken bulerias compas (in reply to rotemb)

Sometimes it does - I think the best way is to set the metronome to 6 beats length here (1-6) with accent on 1 and start on 1.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2007 18:29:40

Ricardo

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RE: broken bulerias compas (in reply to rotemb)

The actual stopping point is "3&". So he is anticipating count 4. The next compas starts on 6, but you think it feels like 12, right?

Understand that it is WRONG to count 12's for BULERIAS unless you are doing a cuadrao (square) dance accompaniment. THis (your Tomate remate) is called a "medio compas" by some, and by others, nothing at all, it just feels natural. THe only thing I can say to help you is that if you have already ingrained counts 1-12 in your body, try to start thinking that 12 and 6 have the same feeling. Meaning, if you did not count, it would not matter if you felt either beat the same. So 1 and 7 feel the same, and 2 and 8, and 3 and 9. So the important thing is that you can notice a Cierre on either 4 or 10, because they have the same feeling. Bulerias is NOT just a fast solea or alegrias.

You will find the exact same type of cierre SOMEWHERE in the the music of EVERY guitarist at some point. From Sabicas to anyone nowadays. Listen to Moraito accompany Jerez singers. He usually closes with medio compas every letra. He demonstates this in his instructional video, rather matter of factly.

When you hear just normal chording for bulerias, A to Bb, think of that Bb change on count 3 as an UP beat anticipating count 4. Then when you change back to A on count 9 you do a rasgueado that accents count 10. So play the same but do a rasgueado ON the Bb change, and just cut the A chord on 9. Notice the symmetry of the rhythm when you do that. With most beginning students, I get them to feel this simple rhythm first, then counting comes later when it is time for dance class.

Hope that helps.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2007 20:34:34

Ron.M

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RE: broken bulerias compas (in reply to itoprover)

quote:

I think the best way is to set the metronome to 6 beats length here (1-6) with accent on 1 and start on 1.

it,
I'm no expert, but I think you're on the right track of realizing that Bulerias can be counted in many ways.

The half-compás is not just occasional but happens A LOT, especially when dealing with the whims of singers and not just playing a well practised and tapped out solo.

Count 9 can be count 3 if you are counting in what Ricardo always referred to as a "full Gringo compás"

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2007 20:45:57

rotemb

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RE: broken bulerias compas (in reply to rotemb)

thanx a lot!! great explanation. i now understand that theres a different between accompanying dance and a singer. i accompany dance so im used to 12 compas. but now you opened my eyes and i will try to find where the half compas is being used (other performers).

again thanx

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2007 12:52:16