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How much is your Conde worth?
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Ricardo
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 RE: How much is your Conde worth? (in reply to Mark2)
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What I don't get is someone paying 50k for a fender strat that was made in the early 60's played by your uncle's neighbor. That guitar sold for 200.00 brand new and is the same guitar you can buy for 1,000 or less brand new today. The new one probably plays better.
Well, classical guitars are the same thing. I was checking in on Yngwie because this gentleman I met showed me his Yngwie signature strat. They take (or make a replica of) a post 1971 style neck and body, change the 3 bolt to a 4 bolt on the back neck joint, change the pickups to stacked humbuckers, scallop the fingerboard, and charge $2,500. So that is not too bad I guess. But then I saw a video of the “custom shop” version, where they use older style body, and small details like maple cap etc, and price goes up to $5k. So this thing seems very similar to classical/flamenco guitars where you can get decent Valencia instruments, and only the small details give you the huge jump to Concert instruments, such as the nut and set up, slightly more brilliant treble response, etc. Then you have the vintage collector guitars which again are no different (used to be 2-$500), you just want that specific year and model or make that is no longer available (they jump above 20k in some cases). Yngwie revealed the absolute horrible original Strat pickups vs what that humbucker replacement does, which is akin to collector guitars that have bad set ups or need compensated frets etc., ie are actually inferior as functional instruments.
Flamenco as a genre, however, is not going to compete with beat up old flamenco guitars, even Paco de Lucia’s, at auctions of famous pop musicians like Gilmore, Clapton, etc. Even Clapton’s Spanish guitar (Alvarez) was like the highest selling classical guitar ever (or was).
Paco’s main Sobrinos de Esteso that he used on all those cante records, and we see him on stage with singers in the 1970s, looks in worse shape than mine, probably not even worth a trade.
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Ricardo
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RE: How much is your Conde worth? (in reply to Echi)
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I thought that guitar wasn't orange.
I suspect it was done over in Red at the same time he did the Negra in red circa 1983/4. This guitar is shown in the Mexican beach house studio in the Documentary Francisco Sanchez, and I was able to identify it as the same 1968 conde used in Rito y Geografia via unusual grain lines on the heel as viewed down the neck line. It used to be orange gold like typical condes of the time (best color photo is the 7 inch disc with Juan de vara), and is the one he used on the famous 1974 performance with Mairena in Utrera corroborated by a Photo of the event. You can see the original orange gold coming through the golpeador where he might have tried to change it himself, did a bad job, and just covered over top of the old one a second golpeador to preserve it. His daughter Lucia owns this, and there are more photos by Felipe Conde who was asked to appraise it by her.
I for one don’t prefer the Ramirez, all things considered equal with the type of audio we are getting in Rito. There is a sparkle missing in the Rondeña, even if the guitar has a touch more sustain, that for example the Conde delivers in the Taranta (for a comparison). The Buleria is not a fair comparison, even with some of the same falsetas, because I note that the compression caused by Pepe’s loud voice, distorts and pushes the Conde back too far in the spectrum such that we are not getting the full voice of that guitar, capoed a fret higher as well. So for me, comparing the Rondeña to the Taranta gives a a little bit more realistic comparison.
One recording I really love that I assume is the above conde is the bootleg performance of Paco and Camaron in Brazil, a very raw recording and the guitar and voice work so perfectly together, better than the hi fi studio recordings IMO.
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