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question to people born in flamenco families about singing
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Ricardo
Posts: 14854
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: question to people born in flame... (in reply to marduk)
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I do not know how to begin learning to accompany on the fly. buleria for example I will get wrong 80% of the time Not sure who you are accompanying but what I found early on working with singers was that “good” singers were much more clear than others, and by that I mean there were some singers that sang in a traditional way, others in a modern way taking from camaroneros and such, and guys that just yelled letras where needed for dancers. The more traditional singers were way easier to accompany. Their voices “lead” me around as guitarist, it’s very clear and no rehearsals needed. But a lot of singers were not good like that, not well versed in the traditional way to sing and required me to memorize what they wanted me to do. It was a weird feeling early on because one guy I had no clue what he would sing and it all came out on stage perfectly. Next guy and outside of the rehearsed numbers, anything the singer would improvise was a mess on my part, couldn’t get any correct chord. Now some guys will sing duquende or whatever and if by chance I was familiar of course it worked, but it was by chance. Over the years I tried learning to sing some stuff myself and realized it mostly comes down to how good is the compas of the singer, and how precise they can sing notes in a scale. Now I can tell in the ay ay ay warm up with what I’m dealing with. 10 years ago I was in Spain and Diego agujetas comes into a bar. I bought him a drink and he sang for me and I accompanied him for like 2 or 3 hours straight. I knew none of his repertoire but he sang in such a clear way... even singing in the half compas and stuff was like butter. He seemed happy, all the aficionados liked it, and I learned tons. One guy was filming, a younger singer. Gerardo invited this guy to sing a mini concert, maybe 3 or 4 songs, and chose me to accompany him. I remember he was so excited to work with me and later showed a clip he filmed from that night, he really loved how I played for Diego. So he wanted to practice... that already made me uncomfortable. Honestly we got together and he started basic fandango de huelva. It was sucking and I missed a tono he wanted in that simple form. He looked so frustrated and confused as to how I could play so perfect for the other guy and not for him? And I was embarrassed too, so we started working out his cantes. Back stage before show time he was warming up with me, his wife a dancer there doing palmas... suddenly she stops him and starts singing the same thing he was to correct him! He tried again, and she stopped him again and this went on for a while. I realized that this “problem” of accompanying was not my fault at all.... some singers simply are much better, more knowledgeable than others. It was never meant to be such a difficult art form as it sometimes seems. I suggest trying to learn from an advanced singer only, one that doesn’t only copy modern recordings, one that doesn’t sing the same letra only over and over. And don’t take it too hard if some mediocre guy puts you down for missing a chord in his off track singing. Just do the best you can for them, learn from it, and move on to the next project with hopefully better artists.
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