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Stu

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Essential repertoire material

I feel like there's some material/falsetas that a flamenco guitarist should know. For example I can't really play the playable ( for mortals) bits in entre dos aguas and feel like I should be able to. I've just never bothered to learn it properly.

Should I be ashamed?
This feels like it's an essential bit for a flamenco player to know....
In other people's opinions...which other famous falsetas should one know.
I'm sure know plenty that some might consider important. But probably have lots of gaps too.

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tele

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

I think only the basic phrases are essential for flamenco guitarists, there's just so many falsetas, even if some are played by 80% of the guitarists... I don't think there are essential ones, just choose the ones you like best and do your best with them

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Stu

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to tele)

ha i knew id get a reply like that! I do choose the ones I like.
It's not like I'm all hung up on ticking boxes to fulfill a certain role of 'flamenco guitarist' maybe I phrased it wrong.

But its like if you go to a certain country on holiday there's usually a few places to go or sights to see that are part of the "x" country experience.
I was thinking of landmark material that people know and know that others know..

Just looking for material really as I'm in a dry spot and need inspiration to learn some new falsetas.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

I feel this too. I can play chunks from the stuff I like but there are lots of palos that I know nothing about, the same goes for "iconic falsetas" because only with the time (and hearing them everywhere) I start to think "oh, this must be another one of those Stairway to Enter Sandman on the Water falsetas".

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Leñador

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

I don't believe in essential repertoire material, maybe essential palos........Solea, Alegrias, Tangos, Buleria, Seguiriya..............

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Pimientito

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

quote:

which other famous falsetas should one know.

The intro to Bambaleo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

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Ricardo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

Its actually the whole point of learning flamenco....until you arrive at the point you really understand enough to create your own things. Some essentials to look at, perhaps not entire PIECES but falsetas from:

R. Montoya:
Rondeña
Malagueña
Granaina
Pretty much any other palo he recorded.

N. Ricardo:
Solea
Siguiriyas/Serrana
Alegrias (check out note for note version by Paco Peña and Paco de Lucia while at it).

Sabicas:
Bulerias (especially A minor stuff)
Solea
Zapateado
Farruca

M. Escudero
Impetu

Esteban de Sanlucar
Panaderos

Manuel Morao:
Siguiriyas

Parrilla de Jerez, Cepero, Moraito, Tomatito,diego del gastor:
Bulerias

Paco de Lucia:
Rumba. No joke, he was really the first to make it sort of a "serious" and sophisticated form, and his
pieces and falsetas are to flamenco guitarists today like "standards" in jazz.

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Ricardo)

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R. Montoya:
Rondeña
Malagueña
Granaina
Pretty much any other palo he recorded.

In that case, Alain Faucher’s book would seem to be a good investment — if you read, that is.

quote:

Alegrias (check out note for note version by Paco Peña and Paco de Lucia while at it).

Where’s Lucía’s version? I don’t immediately recall it.

quote:

Sabicas:
Zapateado

He hardly recorded that at all (there’s one on ¡¡Olé!!). Or do you mean the one in D?

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Paco de Lucia:
Rumba. No joke, he was really the first to make it sort of a "serious" and sophisticated form, and his pieces and falsetas are to flamenco guitarists today like "standards" in jazz.

Ah. I guess Juan Serrano’s Verde de selva and Paco Peña’s La Lola don’t count, then

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tele

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

If you need material that inspires, why not start making your own variations of falsetas or create completely new ones? It's the best thing in my opinion to do but takes time and there's not always inspiration

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mark indigo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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quote:

Alegrias (check out note for note version by Paco Peña and Paco de Lucia while at it).

Where’s Lucía’s version? I don’t immediately recall it.

"Esencia Gitana" on the "Homenaje al Niño Ricardo in Memoriam" album?

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mark indigo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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Paco de Lucia:
Rumba. No joke, he was really the first to make it sort of a "serious" and sophisticated form, and his pieces and falsetas are to flamenco guitarists today like "standards" in jazz.

Ah. I guess Juan Serrano’s Verde de selva and Paco Peña’s La Lola don’t count, then

Paco recorded a rumba similar to these way back with Ricardo Modrego - "A Tu Vera".
from there he developed it through Entre Dos Aguas, Rio Ancho, Chanela etc. etc. so in terms of development, and also in terms of influence on subsequent generations of guitarists in Spain, no.

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Stu

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks Ricardo, thats exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. I know a fair bit in there but there's plenty I've never even heard so as well as stuff to learn its also some listening essentials.
I like it when people actually answer the question on this foro!

Thanks for the video Ramzi. I will learn it one day and I actually have the fuente y cuadal book with it in.

thanks for that video mark! nice info too. how have you been? how's farm
life?

Sorry tele but I'm not interested in composing. not today anyway. There's so much wonderful stuff out there that I need to learn first (as ricardo was saying) before i can really do any composition justice. plus composing at the moment doesn't inspire me really... I just feel pressured by myself

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Stu

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Pimientito)

ah pim! I know that one already!!!

actually I dont

another chink in my flamenco/latin/guitar armour

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tele

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

Well you can just listen to any famous guitarists and look for the tabs online. There's also bunch of good stuff in encuentro videos, I really liked the moraito video.

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mark indigo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

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I feel like there's some material/falsetas that a flamenco guitarist should know

just learn Paco's Fabulosa Guitarra, Fantasia Flamenca, Duende Flamenco and Fuente Y Caudal and you should be ok!

And all the falsetas from the Paco Camarón records.
To narrow it down just learn all the falsetas that appear on both Paco's solo records and the Camarón records!

I'm only half joking, it's good to take falsetas from cante recordings, and old Paco falsetas seem to have become "traditional".

I like also to pick up older pulgar and alzapúa (or old pulgar/indice versions) falsetas 'cos they're good for using in dance classes because they have a lot of rhythmic drive.
The ones on the Gerardo Nuñez Encuentro are good examples.

most of the stuff on the Encuentro's is good, Moraíto, Tomatito, Chicuelo, Miguel Angel Cortés, loads of good stuff on them

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mark indigo

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RE: Essential repertoire material (in reply to Stu)

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thanks for that video mark! nice info too. how have you been? how's farm
life?

well, it's cheaper than working out at the gym to stay fit!

sometimes I think I have the best of both worlds, other times it feels a bit schizoid.
recently I have had a few gigs, including playing in a theatre, and the difference between that life and world and getting up in the morning for work is sometimes a bit surreal
also it means I spend a lot of time on the road going into town in the evenings and driving back late at night.... and I'm really knackered a lot!

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